what does it take?

pr3 to pr4?

[soapystar]

just what does it take to get your pr up in real life?...is it all about inbound links?...is it google registering actual clicks to your site after a search?..is it listings in other directories/engines?...just wanna get mr pr3 to a pr4!

[bateman_ap]

It's all about those inbound links! Get more and more and your PR will rise and rise!

I don't think the number of clicks you get on your site matters.

[pageoneresults]

> It's all about those inbound links! Get more and more and your PR will rise and rise!

Its actually all about those quality inbound links! Its not about having links just for the sake of it.

Target on topic sites that have PR4 or higher. Of course one link from a PR6 and above site has as much weight as 100 links from PR4 sites. That's not to say that you should ignore any site. Its all about relevance. If the site is on topic, it may be worth the exchange. Just be careful when providing links back. Once you get in the loop, its a completely different story.

[edited by: pageoneresults at 5:36 pm (utc) on July 1, 2002]

[soapystar]

not sure what u mean by links back and the loop?..if someone links to me i have to reciprocate..no?

[bateman_ap]

You don't have to and if you do and the link is to a rather undesirable neighbourhood there is a slight (unproven) chance you can get a negative beneftt from it. Do a search for Zeus on this board to read up much more than someone could ever put in one message!

[ciml]

To get PR4 you need about "n" links from PR4 pages, or about "n x n" links from PR3 pages, or about 1 link from a PR5 page. I say about, because the number of links on the linking page make a difference, as does whether the linking page is a at the top or bottom of it's position in the Toolbar.

People disagree over whether "n" is about 6 or 10.

[soapystar]

well,i currently have 3xpr4,1xpr5,and 3xpr6 linking to my index...im still stuck on 3!...that doesnt include my google and dmoz listing by the way!..so..according to you i should be on pr4..so...i scratch my head!

[ciml]

I'd expect roughly PR5 from three links from PR6 pages. Are you sure that the links are from pages that have PR6 and are in Google (i.e. not the Toolbar guess) and that the link is indexed (in their Google cache page)?

[taxpod]

I guess I'll jump into the foray and create a stir. Please no personal attacks!

I'll take a link on a PR3 page of 10 links over a link on a PR6 page of 100+ links anyday! And if you need to reciprocate, how about a page of links to your "friends" which is linked to from the home page? That way you don't bleed too much PR out to other sites.

But back to the point. Everyone is saying get just a few inbounds and make sure they are PR4 and up. But you miss the forest for the trees with this approach cause, if there are a lot of other sites on topic, they can all benefit you by creating inbound links even if they have relatively low PR.

I have one page that is PR5 and I created a new site. That site has only the one inbound link from my PR5. So it's only a PR4. I went out and got a couple PR5s to point to it but it's still a PR4. The problem is that each of these pages has tons of links on them. So I went out and found a bunch of lower PR pages that didn't and voila. The new site is now a PR5.

Don't ignore pages just because of the PR. Do the math and calculate value. Buying something because it is cheap, isn't being smart. The thing may turn out to be just that, cheap. Buy things because they represent a good value. Get good value inbound links!

[pageoneresults]

soapystar, it almost sounds like you've got a PR penalty. If you have PR3 and have links from PR4, 5 and 6 sites, in theory, your PR should be somewhere around 4 or 5.

Have you done a backwards links check from your home page? Enter your domain (www.yourdomain.com) in the search field. The results returned will look like this...

Show Google's cache of www.yourdomain.com
Find web pages that are similar to www.yourdomain.com
Find web pages that link to www.yourdomain.com
Find web pages that contain the term "www.yourdomain.com"

Now, click on the link that reads Find web pages that link to www.yourdomain.com. If it shows that there are no backwards links, then my first guess would be a penalty of some sort. Typically, those sites that are not penalized have backwards links show up when performing the above search.

P.S. There are exceptions to the rule as some of these features don't seem to be functioning as they have in the past.

[soapystar]

well it says there are no links..when i know there are...and if i have a penalty then there is no justice...i have gone out of my way not to cheat while others around happily continue to do it!!!grrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!

[soapystar]

how can i found out if i have a penalty?..or if theres anything i can do about it?

[Mardi_Gras]

well it says there are no links..when i know there are

Don't you need a PR4 or above for links to show?

[soapystar]

but i think the point was i may have a penalty because my links havent increased my page rank!

[yankee]

soapystar,

You created a duplicate thread on this topic. Let's keep it all here.

I don't think you have a penalty if you have a PR3. An all white or all gray toolbar would indicate a penalty.

You need to have a pr of 4 or higher for google to show backlinks.

How many links are on the PR 6 pages linking to you?

[soapystar]

i currently have 3xpr4,1xpr5,and 3xpr6 linking to my index...not including google and dmoz where im listed too..

[KakenBetaal]

Soapystar, sounds like you only recently got those links, right (i.e roughly after 7th June)? Well, if that's the case, then the inbound links you mentioned probably weren't included in the last update because the links were updated after the crawl occurred. Assuming that's the case, that's why your PR is still low.

Wait for the next update as the crawl that's just happened will take effect at the end of this month and should include your new links and a nice new PR increase.

You could check this by looking at the google-cached version of the pages that are currently linking to you. I suspect that the cached version won't show your link while the live version of those links pages will.

[soapystar]

no..im counting the links now showing..in all i have 162 inbound links....but only 10 have been re-indexed so far.So if they show in the cache they should be counting to-wards my pr now?..no?..i'll have to wait till more get re-indexed and see..all the others are showing dates of june 1 or june 2...so should i expect them to be re-indexed beginning of this month?

[sparrow]

We've got the incoming links, but should these links actually appear on the front page. Or having them 2 pages deep keeping us from climbing up that PR ladder.

2 months ago we were PR5, now after two crawls we've dropped to PR3. The only changes that have been made are in the meta tag description and a little tweaking of the keywords, that is it.

I really don't understand what happened. On top of a competitor with now text on his page is now setting in no 1 position, very unsettling.

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We are no 1 and no 2 in the dmoz for 2 prominent key words, I really cant' figure this on out.
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[ciml]

sparrow, it doesn't matter how deep the links come from, but you need to consider the PR of the linking page. The PR of the domain's root page isn't involved.

[sparrow]

thanks ciml!

I'll check the pages and see.

[sparrow]

ciml...
I checked the links, 2 pr0 1 pr3 a couple of pr4's and the balance are pr5 and pr6.
Should we bow out to fht pr0's? Most of the links are 5 or 6 so I still don't understand?

[caine]

I just built a little site for a customer, it has four incoming pr>5 links, high ontopic relevance, the site carries a pr>5 and that took 6 weeks. It came from a pr>1. pr links are important.

[ciml]

Links from PR5 and PR6 pages would normally give you better than PR3.

I don't know why you have a problem, sparrow. Some reasons could be redirects, penalties (some pages have PR but can't pass it on), duplication, or just that enough time hasn't passed yet.

[sparrow]

In April to May we were pr5, May to June pr4 June to July pr3. The only changes that have been made have been the meta description, which I changed backed to the one from April, tweaked the keywords and added redirect 301 to that the old website pages would be dropped out. You don't think the redirect 301 would have done it do you?

Oh, by the way when we had ODP fix our listing (editor had spelling problem) I asked if they would change the title to the new site title, they said that based on what the see they couldn't so on Dmoz the site title says one thing, but google says the another. The URL's are both the same. The words are the same, they are just arranged differently. Also on dmoz the site is #1 for our keyword phrases.

How long should we wait before trying to change anything else?

[ciml]

sparrow, if you don't see any of the various problems we've discussed here to do with not being credited with PageRank, then I really don't know. Titles and descriptions don't matter for PageRank. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "added redirect 301 to that the old website pages would be dropped out.". Which addresses redirect to which? If the home page now redirects somewhere else then you could loose its PagrRank.

[sparrow]

no ciml, the homepage is fine, I redirected pages that no longer exist to the new pages that's it.

I really don't know what to think either, I am at a loss.