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Kickstarting PR at Birth

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JamaicanFood

9:34 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have an idea I am in the process of building my website which will launch in May 2005. But get this I wanted to unveil the site ie. drop the under construction page and at the same time get a high PR.

I have identified through a text broker a option to get four PR8 website links and have been told that that will give my home page an immediate PR of about 6.

My website is pretty large with lots of good content keyword relevance and good internal linking with all Meta tags and a great Image cruncher, so does the link automatically give me a high PR too..?

JamaicanFood

BeeDeeDubbleU

10:53 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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PR is worth very little since the sandbox was implemented.

trimmer80

10:59 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Pr will help rankings and will help your site get all pages indexed quicker and more regularly.

Whether or not the links are worthwhile is dependant on other factors such as the cost of the links and how many competing links are on the PR8 pages.

If they say that 3 PR8 links will only get you a PR6 then i would say there are many hundreds of links on the PR8 pages.

It sounds like a good idea if
1. you revenue model is based on SE traffic and
2. if the 3 pr8 links are prices reasonable.

bekyed

11:39 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have identified through a text broker a option to get four PR8 website links and have been told that that will give my home page an immediate PR of about 6.

In theory yes that could be true, but there are a lot of factors that still affect Pagerank.
The textbroker is also making money from the deal I bet.
Make sure the PR8 page has less than than 20 links outgoing, some say 50, i say 20, and last of all make sure the page is relevant to your website.
A PR8 sounds great but i bet this is not cheap and you will have to pay money upfront.
Be very wary as I have seen pages with a high pagerank of 7 that now have a 2.
I should know, this was one of my websites after the Florida update.
Im not trying to put you off here, just throw caution to the wind a little.

Bek

JuniorOptimizer

11:53 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hopefully activity like this won't trigger any "alarms" at Google and trigger some sort of death penalty for the site. Otherwise that would defeat your purpose.

RichTC

12:20 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Frankly i see very little advantage a high PR wont guarantee you a high position in the SERPS. Do not think that PR = Position it doesnt

The advantage you have starting earlier is that at least Google can start spidering you a little earlier, but hey with the sandbox, you may be waiting a while anyway before seeing results. I guess it depends also on how competitive your keywords are.

As you have just missed the December PR Update, im guessing you are looking at End of March/ April now anyway.

I would say, dont rush, get your content right. If the links on the PR 8 site are from sites relevant to you and you may gain traffic and its cheap to do so then fair enough.

bts111

1:10 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Don't waste your money ; )

ncw164x

1:18 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you have a large site by linking to yourself you could start off on a PR5, seems a lot of money to spend for one digit especially when lower PR sites are for some reason ranking higher

shri

2:47 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you value your content and cannot handle the risk, stay away from artificial schemes.

trimmer80

2:55 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It is not as simply as a yes/no and as we dont know how much the links are costing it makes it harder.

Firstly, what is your strategy? Are you competing with a few competitive money phrases or putting up alot of content and going for the smaller phrases.
If you are going for ultra competitive keywords then your money may be better spent else where getting many good on topic links with a lower pr.
If you are going for the smaller phrases and you have alot of content then the PR8 links might be effective.

I have seen firsthand the correlation between a spike in PR and rankings. Infact i doubled one of my sites traffic, although it took a number of months to come into effect.

The lesser discussed advantage of PR is the increase in the amount your pages will be crawled.
If your site is less than 100 pages then anything over a pr4 will get you crawled often.
If your site is large then the higher PR may be valuable to getting your site reindexed in minimal time.
This is important for 'tweaking'. i.e. if your site of 10000 pages is reindex once a month then it will take you a month to test how valid any small changes are. If your site is crawled everyday then this will help 'tweak' things on your site more effectively.

When working out how much the links will cost, be sure to factor in costing for three - six months. You will likely get no indiciation of the links effectiveness of a couple of months.

Just my 2 cents anyway.

trimmer80

2:57 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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shri

i personally do not believe that others linking to you (without a reciprical link) can hurt your ranking. Does anyone agree / disagree?

Pradyumna

6:39 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes trimmer,
I have seen may site which are in top positions doing sponsored links that too comming from non themed sites. And they also rank in top 5 for any rich keyword.

notredamekid

6:44 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Take whatever amount you were going to pay to rent the links, and spend it all on directory listings and press release distributions. These permanent links will do a lot more good in the SERPs, and if we're talking a decent amount of money then they will get you a PR6 anyway - AND higher rankings - AND you won't have to pay up every month. And did I mention your risk is spread out a lot more?

martinibuster

7:10 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>>PR is worth very little

It still has value when exchanging links. I think it's a good strategy to come out of the gate with as high PR as you can because it will help you do reciprocal links and help you link your way into a good neighborhood.

Dealing with the shortcomings in the Google algo
The shortcoming of Google's PR is that webmasters don't generally cooperate with the utopian ideal of citation- in commercial or semi-commercial circles. It works with websites dealing with the free exchange of ideas, like is found in blogs, and the technique of ranking sites according to citations may function better in that environment.

So maybe getting away from ranking sites according to the actual content has it's drawbacks.

Google and Commercial Searches
Many people on the internet are buying stuff, and I think the Google algo may fall down in that regard. Just a few minutes ago I was looking for Japanese design elements in window treatments and had a difficult time finding it and gave up, without even clicking on an AdWords ad.

The Directory Submission Strategy aka Link Text Buying Lite
If you spend exclusively on directory links you'll end up with less PR showing, which will affect the efficacy of a reciprocal link campaign. But you will attain quantity of links, which is a good thing and not to be lightly regarded.

So if you take a long range view of the process of ranking better, then you can think of attaining high PR (and directory inbounds) as stage 1, then recips as stage two. Adding directory submissions in between will help you answer the question of attaining quantity.

The Dark Horse: AdWords as part of a long range link strategy
An AdWords campaign running concurrently with stage 1 and 2 is a good idea (if you have good content), because you may pick up some links from people who think you have a good site- i.e. website citations, forum drops, yahoo group recommendations, email recommendations, and even a DMOZ listing. I am speaking from personal experience.

Stage three comes into play once you attain natural inbound links and are ranking. You can drop the AdWords, paid links, etc. and coast on the natural citations you have coming in. This may not work with pure aff sites with fluff content- that's a different model.

The idea of link popularity is sound, but it can be incredibly difficult to have a good site noticed and injected into the Google matrix without a road map to kick start the process. The internet is a bigger pond than when PR was conceived.

BeeDeeDubbleU

8:38 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Take whatever amount you were going to pay to rent the links, and spend it all on directory listings and press release distributions.

I agree with NDK. Sometimes we cannot see the wood from the trees. Links from good, related directories will pull in traffic irrespective of SE ranking. If you can build your business model on this it will give you long term security then you can give the SE's the finger :)

shri

8:40 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> others linking to you

Does not hurt. However, buying links from PR 8 sites and a network / broker, has some inherrent risks. PR 8 is pretty high on the radar for other SEOs.

Martinibuster >> even a DMOZ listing

Sssh! Lets not tell everyone that even Dmoz editors use google to find good sides. ;)

ncw164x

8:48 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>PR 8 is pretty high on the radar for other SEOs

Absolutely, Paying for links that gets you a high a level PR from the outset draws attention to your site where everyone starts taking notice, stay under the radar and off the screen always.

Do it in short burst over a period in time rather than large amounts all at once.

Look at the current problem with directory sites!

bts111

10:45 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Very nice post martinibuster : )

ogletree

11:03 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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There are not that many PR8 sites in the grand scheme of things. I have a feeling that G is watching them closer for buying links. Link brokers are getting quite public these days. I have a feeling G is going to come down hard on them and there networks soon. It is not hard for G to buy links to find the sites. G is quite public about how they hate this kind of thing. I don't think it will hurt your site just your pocketbook. I have purchased links from many different sources. We bought one very expensive PR8 link that took us up to a PR6. We moved up quickly in Y but not G. We have not budged with our big term in G. We are 2 in Y now. The pr8 link is not the only link to that page but it is the only new link. It has been up for 2 months now. It takes sitewide links a lot longer to give you value because G does not do whole site updates that often on most sites.