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swedee

9:38 am on Jan 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi everyone

When I search for my most important keyword I end up around 50-60 in the SERPS. If I search with allinanchor with the same keyword I end up number 2. Why is it like this? Can I expect a better listing in the normal SERPS in the near future?

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Johan Siggesson

goodroi

5:02 am on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You are experiencing what some people are calling the sandbox. Your ranking will not likely be changing. There are already too many threads that discuss the sandbox theory, so you should review them first.

Beating the penalty effect [webmasterworld.com]
How to avoid the sandbox! [webmasterworld.com]
Has the Sandbox been Abandoned? [webmasterworld.com]
No.1 in allintitle & allinanchor [webmasterworld.com]

McMohan

6:13 am on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If the keyword you are targeting is a money keyword and you are ranked around 50-60, it may not be Sandbox. Sandboxed sites rank mostly after 100-200 positions. Try getting more quality links.

Best Wishes

Mc

swedee

1:05 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The thing is that I have PR6 on my site and noneofmy competitor has PR6. I figure that is a bit strange. Or is that how it is.

jaffstar

1:34 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The thing is that I have PR6 on my site and noneofmy competitor has PR6. I figure that is a bit strange. Or is that how it is.

Not strange at all, A higher pagerank does not guarantee you a better result.

swedee

1:53 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No I understand that it doesnt guarantee a better result but a poor 55th place... Since we have such a good result in the allinanchor search doesnät mean or imply something. What can you use the allinanchor search for.

jk3210

3:25 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>If I search with allinanchor with the same keyword I end up number 2<<

It simply means that your page has links pointing to your page with those keywords in the anchor text. Nothing more. (*see below)

It's a worthless exercise for determining any sort of rank. (Look for some posts by Big Dave on the subject.)

[*actually, Google doesn't mention HOW they rank those allinanchor results]

[edited by: jk3210 at 4:16 pm (utc) on Jan. 6, 2005]

swedee

3:51 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ok I understand... thanks... In other search engines we are top 10 for the same keyword. Does this mean we are still in sandbox for google or just that Google has more pages.

jk3210

4:06 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>Does this mean we are still in sandbox<<

I doubt it.

hughie

4:15 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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my site was no.1 for allinanchor for 6 months and was nowhere on the reults at all.

I am still no.1 for allinanchor but now position 70ish for the results. I've not added many backlinks over that period but it seems i'm heading in the right direction as i was down at 150 before the last PR update.

When i get a chance i'm going to get another 10-20 backlinks and see if that has any effect on the rankings at all.

swedee

4:20 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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But as far as I understood the Sandbox affects all new sites... Our site is only about 6 months old. It would be strange if we would have slipped through the effect that everyone else seems to be trapped in... I am happy if I am not in the sandbox cause then i know that it is only up to me but it seems strange

Bonusbana

4:49 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The sandbox does not affect all new sites. I have a 5 days old site and already 300 google referers. Another is 3 weeks and has pr3 and 700 google referers.

I would think that you are probably competing on a very competitive keyword, or the site is focusing on high-bid keywords. Google is much more careful theese days, and it might take a year before you reach the top.

steveb

7:25 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"It simply means that your page has links pointing to your page with those keywords in the anchor text. Nothing more"

Complete nonsense.

"It's a worthless exercise for determining any sort of rank"

Also nonsense.

Frankly I'm beginning to think comments like this are deliberately disingenuous since they are meant to be so deceptively hurtful to the original poster.

swedee, as goodroi posted in the second message, you are likely in the google sandbox. Ranking high for allinanchor but very lamely for the same search is a sign of either being in the sandbox or having some other problem with your site.

The sandbox doesn't hit every new site, but it hits a huge number of them. Having good PR and good allin rankings and a six month old domain is the textbook type of site in the sandbox.

jk3210

9:42 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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QUESTION POSED-->"If I search with allinanchor with the same keyword I end up number 2. Why is it like this?"

Answer from Google Answers-->"If you start your query with allinanchor:, Google restricts results to pages containing all query terms you specify in the anchor text on links to the page."

steveb

9:56 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Glad to set you got it. The first statement was obviously false. There is a lot "more".

jk3210

10:24 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Additionally, "allinanchor:" isn't defined anywhere in Google that I can see, but for "allintitle:" and "allinurl:" they "restrict the results" not "rank" the results.

So, since google doesn't "rank" any other "all" searches, how can you make the assumption that they rank "allinanchor:" searches, and then use that assumption to make a further assumption about the status of the guy's site being sandboxed?

steveb

12:36 am on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't think you understand what "restrict the results" means. It's just a criteria. The pages are still ranked. How they are ranked isn't relevant here, only that they are ranked in some way. Saying "nothing more" means the results would be some random jumble, which they obviously aren't.

jk3210

1:03 am on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>I don't think you understand...<<

Always a possibility.

>>Saying "nothing more" means the results would be some random jumble, which they obviously aren't. <<

Good point. So, how are they ranked? What's the ranking criteria?

Also, what is it about the guy's site coming in at number 2 for an "allinanchor:" search that convinces you that he's sandboxed?

steveb

1:29 am on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"What's the ranking criteria?"

What does that have to do with anything?

"Also, what is it about the guy's site coming in at number 2 for an "allinanchor:" search that convinces you that he's sandboxed?"

Try to be more careful with words. "Likely" does not equal "convinced". He described a common scenario afflicting many sites similarly. While likely, there could be other reasons too.

jk3210

1:48 am on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>Try to be more careful with words. "Likely" does not equal "convinced"<<

Sure, no problem.

So, what is it about the guy's site coming in at number 2 for an "allinanchor:" search that makes you feel that he's likely sandboxed?

David1

2:11 am on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have the same problem. I am ranked 1st for allinanchor and 2nd for allintext, allintitle, but ranked 698th for regular search. IMHO this is the sandbox; a form of temporal link analysis, a delay in the counting of raw link popularity, but is not related to pagerank; a measure of a recursive popularity.

I have been sandboxed for six months and cant wait to get out. I am guessing it will be another month or two, maybe 6 at the most.