Supplement pages vanish but Cached date doesn't

still seeing the old cache date

[Vimes]

Hi,

Just looked at my site that has supplemental pages with in the Site:

To my delight i see the pages have disappeared...WOOT.. On further investigation I’m seeing the same cache dates from 1969.....

Anyone else seeing this...

Vimes.

[Vimes]

By the time this was approved all DC's were back to normal again.

Maybe a glitch but i hope a small glimmer at what’s to come.

Vimes.

[DerekH]

One of my sites has had 1969 cache pages listed as supplemental and "not supplemental" for some time, switching between them perhaps every other day.
Disappointingly, even when not marked as supplemental, they rank appalling for search terms where really I'd expect them to do well (ie a distinctive keyword phrase in title, url and <h1>)

Not so much sandbox as quicksand...
DerekH

[Vimes]

Hi All,

Just an update for all those with the 1969 cache problem.

my supplemental pages are still there but it would appear that G might have fixed my hijacking problem and is now replacing the 1969 date with a date at the beginning of the year i have noticed that my page totals are increasing again and that the 'jacked' pages have dissappeared when i search using allinurl:

Gbots back again and i hope for good :)

Vimes.

[eyezshine]

Yeah until you get hijacked again by another site.

It's like a roller coaster ride. One month you're doing good and the next your hijacked and no traffic. So you email google 100 times for 2 months complaining about it and they fix the problem and you're doing good for a month and then you get hijacked again by another site or 2.........................

It's getting old.

[Vimes]

LoL,

i'm a half full kinda guy.

Here's hoping thats not going to happen.

Vimes.

[zeus]

vimes if googlebot is spidering your site over 50% and you dont have any other domains in your site:yourdomain search then you will have good times again.

[g1smd]

A few days ago, I noticed that for about 6 hours there were NO supplemental results to be seen in any of the searches that I did.

The count for one search that I do every day, suddenly dropped by about 25% after a simple "Refresh", and so I went looking to see why. All the SR listings were gone, and stayed gone for about 6 hours.

I tried lots of other searches and the SR listings were gone from those too.

[walkman]

isn't there a 3-6 months or so day penalty for having dupe content that starts after you remove it? Even if you remove it you have wait (hopefully only 3 months) to get back into the serps.

If you get re-hijacked, it starts all over again, possibly with enhanced penalties since you got caught more than once in the eyes of the "do no evil" Googlebot.

It's hard for them to feel how much this is hurting mom and pop sites as they sit there and do nothing for months. To them this is still just a small % of total sites and they haven't got any bad press yet. Their stock is un-affected.

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"Yeah until you get hijacked again by another site.
It's like a roller coaster ride. One month you're doing good and the next your hijacked and no traffic. So you email google 100 times for 2 months complaining about it and they fix the problem and you're doing good for a month and then you get hijacked again by another site or 2.........................

It's getting old."

[Vimes]

g1smd,

If you've corrected the dupe, I think you're on your way back, look for gbot.

My sites indexed now and ranking as it was, some SERP's are better than ever.

I first saw Gbot on the 8th of this month and its been back everyday since adding pages, Walkman is right in my case as it was a dupe problem that got me "hijacked' In the first place but the time scale for me any way was less than 3 months. Pretty much as soon as I corrected the problem Gbot was back. I did receive an email from G hinting cryptically at the issue I had just before Christmas. I acted as soon as possible on my situation and implemented some precautions so I hope it will never happen again.

Hope you have the same situation.

Vimes.

[walkman]

"from G hinting cryptically at the issue I had just before Christmas"

can you please elaborate more on what that e-mail said? I have removed all dupes and I'm still nowhere. With &filter=0 I do very well.

[Vimes]

Sorry Walkman i didn't mean it to sound like G told me how to fix the hijack pages.
All they said in the mail was the usual "we are not telling you the exact problem" but it made me look at the hijacking in a different way. Instead of "why has this website stolen my home page"
I started to look at why has my homepage dropped out of the SERP's, and thats how i found my dupilcate problem.

Fixed it, Gbot came and went crazy on the site.

Once my index page was back in the G's index my problem (i hope forever) dissappeared.

Maybe i got lucky and the sender was going out on the piste ;) but the way the email was worded just made me think differently.

Vimes.

[g1smd]

>> If you've corrected the dupe, I think you're on your way back, look for gbot. <<

Duplicate? What duplicate?

I said that Google dropped all the Supplemental Results from search results for 6 hours a few days ago. The results count for every search that I did dropped significantly, and that was because Google no longer served Supplemental Results in the listings at that time.

Where did Duplicate Content come into this discussion?

[wanna_learn]

I had a site which saw slow death in may 2004, it reappeared in Supplemental results 3 monts back. I can see that Googlebot cralwed few pages on 18th Jan. ... is there a chance that site can be back?

[MissusC]

Well, I am ready to just throw in the towel. I have a page that I deleted some weeks ago showing in Google with cache date of December 31 1969 and my traffic from google is now at 0. Google tells me I have not been penalized in any way and they are "working" on this 1969 cache problem. My entire web site traffic is cut in half at this point in time and it started on December 16th. Not one thing I do, is helping in any way. My site has been in top of serps for keywords since 2002. At this point, I am just at a total loss as my site fell into the pits of google overnight.

[g1smd]

So that deleted page ranks well in Google then?

If so, then get something back on line at that URL, and use it to feed visitors to your index page...

Serving them a 404 does not help at all. Or you could use a 301 to bounce people from that specific page URL to another internal page.

[MissusC]

I did put the URL back online two days ago and hoped it would cache. It is not caching and no, it is not ranking well, is shows as a supplemental result. What exactly does that mean as far as ranking. NONE of my pages rank well any longer. They are all in the google toilet somewhere. They are all still there, but buried.

[Vimes]

g1smd,

LOL sorry dude just re-read your post, completely read it wrong,

Vimes.

[eyezshine]

I really think the hijacking problem is causing duplicate content penalties.

I can't tell for sure yet but I began adding random stuff to all my pages on one site that is hijacked and blocked from the results. Alot of the pages are not supplimental anymore and traffic has begun to flow.

But the site isn't ranking where it was before for a single word 115,000,000 results keyword like it was a year ago.

But time will tell. At least it's coming back slowly.

I think using the random text and html on every page is making it so that they can hijack the pages but the pages are allways different when you visit the page so google don't block it for dupe content.

[MissusC]

Can you give me some good ideas for adding random content? I have never done it.

Thanks