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5:09 pm on Dec 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hello,

My site has been around since '96 and has naturally aquired around 500 backlinks. I've found most of them to be PR2-7. My PR is currently 5 and has been for about 3 years. A site similar to mine has offered to put my link on one of their pages, a PR8. Is that enough to raise my PR to a 6 or 7?

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3:30 pm on Dec 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Depends on a number of factors. If it's a proper link - and that's critical - it may be plenty to knock you up a peg. But it also depends on the number of outgoing links on the page. If the page has hundreds of links, you may not see that much of a difference.
3:38 pm on Dec 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have seen a PR8 pass on a PR7 before, however the destination page (PR7) did not link out to anywhere and had very few internal links (if I remember correctly).

Also the PR8 page didn't have many links on it.

It is actually still live on Inktomi I can sticky you the details if you like.

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I have a few sets of my own questions, which somwehat relate to this thread so I will ask them here (for some unknown reason, whenever I start a thread here, it never gets published!)

There a few sites similar to mine, with same pr of 4, but which are dead now, aka no one is updating them anymore. I don't want to buy them, as this is more of a hoby for me, and I have no extra time anyways. They show up sometimes in the serps before my site though. Doesn't google take into account if a site has been updated or not? What is the point of showing a site that has been the same for months (well months might be ok, but what about in a year). Also, should I somehow try to get these sites to link to mine? Will a PR 4 link to a PR4 make any difference?

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What is wrong about not updating a page?. There must be millions of product pages with descriptions/specifications of products with or without a product picture.

Regarding links...every link counts ;)

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Whats wrong with not updating pages?

The most obvious is that the information is outdated..even for products.

Nothing more frustrating then reading an article then realizing it was wrote in 2001 and soooooooooo many things have since changed on that topic or product.

G should set up a SEPERATE search and archive about 3/4 it's databases or a least send those pages to a date mark withing the database ..date SHOULD be a varibale within the algo.

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I meant that the whole site, including the main page, has not been updated, and thus contains tons of info about stuff that has already occured. Not updating a page is ok, as long as you add new ones and keep everything up to date.
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I think a PR8 link may have pulled my homepage up to PR7 but It had a PR6 before not PR5.

I am having trouble seeing what good it does me though. The page is #8 in the serps on it's prime keyword and every site/page ahead of me has lower PR.

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Whats wrong with not updating pages?

The most obvious is that the information is outdated..even for products.

There are a lot of page that were put up in the mid-90s that are just as relevant today as they were back then. They have not been updated because there is nothing to update. The majority of information on the web has absolutely no need to be timely.

And yes, they are things that people actually search on.

In fact, just as new is important in some categories, it would not take to much effort ot come up with cases where older pages might actually be a better choice.

4:54 am on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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BigDave,

Say it ain't so. Actually I agree with you. Authority sites often don't change because they don't need to.

Babe Ruth's statistics need to be update how often? Uh, yeah, never. The guy's dead.

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Babe Ruth's statistics need to be update how often?
On the other hand, Hank Aaron's stats don't change either. But even without his stats changing they may be different because of someone else's actions. And if your Hank Aaron site doesn't have something about his feelings towards Bonds' passing him, it really isn't complete, is it.

How Much PageRank Would a Link from a PR8 Give?
How much wood could a woodchip chip if a woodchip could chip wood?

Can the link pass you any pagerank?

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I finally got my thread published and Hugene hijacked it.

Thanks to those who responded. My site is a general audience site - it's about a lot of things. The PR8 site is a news site. I would think that would be "on topic" - no?

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check this out
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2:28 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am guessing on my experience that you would at least get bumped up to a PR6.
There are a lot of factors as mentioned above.

In addition it depends if the PR8 site is a "high" PR8 site on the cusp of becoming a PR9 or a low PR8 site just a notch above a PR7.

2:33 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The major factor in how much PR a link passes is how many links there are on that page! A prety good place to start is to check to see what PR value (if any) that sites linked from that page appear to be recieing.
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agreed.

Check how many outbounds it already has, and see what the pagerank is for the existing outbounds...

However, take those finding with a grain of salt because if the other outbounds are also new they will not have benefited yet in terms of PR.

In addition, if you acquire that PR 8 and don't see a big jump in your PR on the next update don't be disappointed.

Usually, PR updates have a lag, meaning that the info google uses to update PR is dated. Links that you acquire from now until the update my not count towards your "new" PR rank. You might have to wait for 2 updates to see the effect.

I'm kind of rambling here, because I'm a bit hungover from our company party last night, so let me know if any of this is unclear or makes no sense...

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there is a significant shift from PR towards some form of lexical analysis in googles algos, particularly since Sept 23rd.

So I'd recommend to put attention on the anchor text on that link if you have any influence in that. Make sure it covers your most important keywords.

Another important issue would be the lexical similarity of both pages. Maybe you could carefully adjust your page linked to and add or replace a few phrases so that this similarity increases. Depending on the number of other links on that PR8 site - as said before - you should then inherit at least PR6 if not 7.

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A site similar to mine has offered to put my link on one of their pages, a PR8. Is that enough to raise my PR to a 6 or 7?

If it's free you can't lose taking it. If there is a price there is more to be considered.

If the page is related the link might bring you a lot of direct visitors as well as the possible indirect gain of PR. If the page is unrelated It may not give you any gains.

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Another important issue would be the lexical similarity of both pages. Maybe you could carefully adjust your page linked to and add or replace a few phrases so that this similarity increases.
So if I have a site about myregion, and the site has pages about fishing and skiing and hiking and golf, etc. That if I get a link from a golf site it should go directly to the golf page for maximum benefit due to the simlarities? I already try to do it anyway for users, but had never really looked at it from this angle.
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If the page is related the link might bring you a lot of direct visitors as well as the possible indirect gain of PR. If the page is unrelated It may not give you any gains.

Agree. I know examples that a link from a PR5 page brings in about 5,000 hits per month. Even that link doesn't pass any PR. It is still nice to get target visitors to your website.

Of course you have to serve these people with the correct information on the first page (deeplink) they visit else they will just press the back button.

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tama, the answer is "probably".

Some pages don't pass PR; some pages are high 8's other are low 8's; pages with 500 links on them pass less PR to each link than pages with 10 links on them... but since we can't know the specifics, if everything is normal or average, you'll either end up a low PR7 or a high PR6.

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Powdork

its yet nothing but a working hypothesis.

As far as I observed, until quite recently you could well work with the PR-1-inheritance-thumb-rule on ordinary pages. E.g. a PR 6 Dmoz-link in most cases brought you PR5 to your index-page and the pages linked to from there got PR4 and so forth.

To my impression this is not true anymore and I think in addition to the sandbox there are some lexical filters at work, so that even if a well-established "link-farm" with a high PR links to you this only has the desired effect if both pages share at least a little bit of content, meaning, lexical or semantic similarity or however you'd like to call it. Which means this is exactly what search engines should do isnt't it?

6:14 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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lexical or semantic similarity or however you'd like to call it
I prefer semantic. Whenever you say lexical I get visions of leprechauns. I'm not sure why.
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Thanks to all for the help. There is a lot of good information in this thread.
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I say that the answer is YES, a single link from a PR8 page will definitely bump a PR5 page up to a 6.

I had a PR5 page bumped up to a 6 with a single link from a PR7 page.

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None of this is guaranteed. I've had a handful of PR7 and two PR8 links incoming, and those pages didn't have many outgoing links, yet the page they linked to remains a PR3 despite having 800 backlinks in Google total ;-) That said, the page gets a great ranking, so I think Google's system is just out of date, even though it's been three months.