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Was there hidden PR all along or was "internal PR" frozen as well?
I have quite a few pages that went to PR 0 zero in May they have finally come back to their former pre-May PR. Their SERPs were in the 30's to 40's but when PR went to 0 they went to the 300's to 400's.
Will they be back?
Interesting to see next crawl finishing?
ahhhm... "it is generally observed"? Where did you get that from?
Imagine a series. babababababababab..... Now imagine that a is the SERP update and b is the PR update. Which one comes first at any moment of time but the very beginning? The chicken or the egg?
The answer to the question is more or less irrelevant, the only thing that can be said is that a SERP update comes before as well as after a PR update, but which one is cause and which one is effect may remain a mystery to us...
SERPS update has always followed after PR update. It's only now(since last 6-8 months) that Goolge has almost obsoleted the relevance of PR(or we can 99% assume that)in orchestrating the SERPS otherwise the criteria has always been like this. Identification of new pages on the web, assigning of the PR(importance) and then weighting all the pages to bring out the SERPS.
Even if you don't agree, i'll still be your fan!
Assuming nothing has changed in the update Algo (!?!?!?) and from my previous experience I would have to say, SERP then PR.
Lets see some changes Google.
I've seen 2-3 points over the year since Florida where the serps go to crap, with spam in there as if this was some newbie SE in 1996, then they seem to fix it.
Right now I think they need a fix, although some serps are cleaner than others, many are bad bad bad.
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I have seen some of the less-relevant sites dropping out of my main keywords, however, so perhaps Google is just stabilizing their results? Hopefully I won't stay this low for good, I've been busting my butt to get to page 1!
Interestingly 2 pages that spam my company name and have been on the first page for over a year have disappeared!
If there is an update let's hope they get it right
Only if you define "always" the same as you define "never".
If you believed the above then you must believe that a new site/page won't appear in the serps until 15 days after it gets PR. Of course that is not true. New toolbar PR is only displayed significantly after results changes. The serps changes around Sept 23 correlated with the new toolbar PR. Google doesn't need to see the green bar display before it can do its own math!