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I feel very strongly that until we have a good grasp on why it exists, it will be very hard to beat.
I don't buy the explanation that it's intended to be a method of stopping spam. Why? One, there's too much collateral damage it is doing. Two, if you accept the 80/20 principle (20% of spammers are doing 80% of the spamming), and you realize that there are multiple ways already of beating the sandbox that all of those spammers are aware of, it doesn't make sense anymore.
So, why does the sandbox exist?
The most obvious effect of the sandbox is that it prevents new domains (not pages) from ranking for any relatively competitive term. So, start thinking like a search engine - what would be the benefit of this?
Sorry PMAC, but that's no proof you're in the sandbox. It just means you're not able to compete with all the other sites that are better SEOed! there are tons of sites like yours competing for the few 10 slots on the first page of your specific serps.
the "sandbox" index is a tangible thing. it is not a state of mind!
That seems like something which could happen if they were "maxed out" somehow.
Prairie.
Its actually the G directory your site should appear in. The last time the sites that came out of the box, were the ones that were picked up by the G directory update aroud April. Sites came out in May.
The Google Directory has updated since May and the sites I referred to earlier are all in the G directory, showing PR, etc.
Yeah, that must be it.
supplemental
... and the sandbox have nothing to do with each other.
Lack of PR is just a symptom that you are in the "sandbox" index!
And let me guess - you're using TBPR as your metric?
renee, uninstall IE and use Opera for a month... then analyze the sandbox. The results might surprise you.
Correlation does not prove causation.
>>... and the sandbox have nothing to do with each other.
I agree. I only meant that a new "sandbox" index is similar in concept (and implementation) to the supplemental index. both are used as a temporary solution to g out-of-capacity problems.
>>And let me guess - you're using TBPR as your metric?
no. I'm simply assuming, rightfully i think, that PR is still core to Google's SE algorithm. and it doesn't make sense for google to perform a separate pr calculation for the sandbox index nor the supplemental index.
I only meant that a new "sandbox" index is similar in concept (and implementation) to the supplemental index.
There is no such thing as a "new sandbox index". Sandboxed sites appear in the main Google index. Same as un-sandboxed sites.
The sandbox/google lag/whatever is a ranking, not an indexing issue. It is absolutely critical to understand that.
it doesn't make sense for google to perform a separate pr calculation for the sandbox index
It doesn't make sense because the sandbox index doesn't exist. Sandboxed sites appear in the main index.
The sandbox is not a symptom nor result of some weird PR calculation.
Yeah, I do that all the time too.
Note to self: STOP DOING THAT. :-)
msg #83
i'd like to know waht evidence you have.
msg #99
there is absolutely no way you can prove your statement. why? because there is no way for you to prove that your site is in the sandbox!
and more.
And like even back here months ago:
msg #46
is it possible for you to indicate which ones have been established beyond doubt and which ones are opinions only at this time?
msg #51
this is pure speculation. there is no evidence whatsoever that these are true.
msg # 17
do you have any proof of this?
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Since you are always demanding firm evidence, what proof you have that your statements are true that you made earlier in this thread? How have you proven them?
Instead of simply discrediting what others post, suppose you help all of us, and tell us what you do that constitutes evidence and proof so that we can all learn.
>>the sandbox index doesn't exist.
you don't know this for a fact, do you? this is your opinion.
>>Sandboxed sites appear in the main index.
supplemental pages also appear in the serps (not index!). don't confuse the index and the serps. the index is interchangeable with the db. the serps is the result of queries against the index (or db).
