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From my observations, I have not seen the usual PR updates that usually occur. Only Pr's going from PR5, PR6, and PR7's to Zero's. Some coming back and some staying there.
Mind that I am tracking domains that I work with, as well as very popular domains.
I have a domain that had over 11,000 backlinks and a PR8, and the links have dropped to under 1,000 and the PR still remains an 8. It was previously a PR6 before that backlink campaign.
So this leads me to think that something drastic is going to happen and when it hits, it will hit hard on many different sites.
There are already many out there with PR0's and no real answer to why. Usually when you got a PR0, you knew why and it was usually related to spammy, cloaky reasoning. This time around, the question is BIG, and people aren't sure.
Some are relating it to too many backlinks from specific directories saying they may now be categorized as link farms, and then others are simply lost.
I would be interested to hear other people's theory on what is up with the Google PR and what you think may happen in the very near future.
With minimal PR updates for about 3 full months, and many backlink updates, something is bound to happen soon.
Let me know your thoughts
I actually don't think this is a major update though, because it doesn't appear the other sites around me have changed that much. Not a good feeling.
As of last night, I'm down from page 1 on my terms to page 8 or so, except one term that is.
When I do a search for a term that I very consistently rank #1 on, I'm still #1, but instead of listing www.mydomain.com as usual, it's showing mydomain.com without the www (which is how it's listed in DMOZ).
Odd and kinda scary, since I've changed nothing. I'm hoping it was a 'server down while the spider was visiting' issue.
Lest folks think I am whining, I still rank #2 on a key term, it is the sites below that have changed. There's Amazon showing in the top 10 again!
Hopefully this too shall pass.
Does anyone know the datacenters to check out that could be a preview of what is to come? I know there are thousands of them now but I wonder if there is one to check out to get an idea...
Tonight..same thing ..I have completely lost PR on a page(and it's ranking #1 ) and I'll bet you thosand bucks PR will show back up in a week or so..but not the ranking..
so whats that all about?
Pages are basicaly clean text
joined:Dec 29, 2003
I've been losing traffic since August...from 4000+ referrals to 50 today. It happened in steps, each update I lost some. Same site, a lot more unique backlinks and every single page is cached. GoogleBot stops by dayly and picks up a lot of pages so I don't know what it is. My keyword density is about 3.X for my main keyword...
[edited by: walkman at 2:26 am (utc) on Sep. 24, 2004]
Strange bot activity.
Appears to be a change in the algo and how it ranks
change in how links are viewed
The Time of the year
Some large bans
the removal of www2 and www3 to view the dance.
then again that just me, i'm sure there is more.
The reason I ask is that a few sites that I am seeing affected (not my own fortunately) seem to be of the variety that have purchased page rank or the page rank comes from single sources that comprise most of the sites incoming links.
I've had some time to look around a little more, and it turns out two of my main sites have been impacted. One site gets a lot of it's incoming links from the other site, but I don't think I have any links going back to the main site. For my main site, as I said above, I used to have a lot of #1 listings - now I haven't found a single #1 listing for that entire site. The rankings are actually fluctuating a decent amount, with the highest result for the site was #4 and that was for the name of the site - it is actually at #20 most of the time - with almost all of the sites above it being sites that link to me. I do still have a lot of rankings between 20-30, and a few in the top 10. Another thing about these two sites is that there are a lot of pages on the sites that are generated from datafeeds - like Amazon, but a lot of the pages are totally unique content.
I am guessing that the sites have been blessed with some sort of filter - otherwise I can't understand how the site wouldn't come up for it's own site name.
I did email email@example.com as I'm also thinking the one site may have gotten hurt because of a "hijack" - as the 2nd listing for my site is another site with a 301 redirect to my site - and the cache shows my site.
I'm really curious what other people are seeing. I want to know if this is a new filter, an actual algo change, or just a penalty my site has gotten.
I'm hoping if it is an algo change it will be like the updates of old - the initial listings aren't that close to the final results - usually things would settle down over 4-6 days. I sure hope my sites will wind up better than where they are now.
Note: I have been the first poster on 2 previous Google updates.
joined:Dec 29, 2003
does Google use penalties /demotions or just bans? I'm curious
Google does also ban sites, from what I can tell.
california widget maker returns at number 3 a totally unrelated site's link page that has, you guessed it, a few links to california widget makers
More telling is #4. Title = "Widgets - Widget Maker in Bend, Oregon" The word "California" ONLY APPEARS IN THE TEXT! And then, only twice! This suggests that the content knob has been turned up pretty dramatically. Title and anchor text have been turned down.
I am seeing too many directories in the top ten (and one of them is mine). And, I see a webring at number 9.
Similar searches are showing similar results.
Has this reduced spam? Well, I just tried a search I did a couple of days ago that gave me nothing but scraped directories and redirects. I am still finding much of the same, although it is a slightly different set of spammy sites. Still couldn't find what I was looking for.
*# of posts that is.
My one site affected by this has gone from page one to page 9 and as of this morning traffic is down 96%!
I feel this is more of a penalty rather than an algo change leading to a shuffle in serps. Having read peoples posts on KWD - I wonder if this is the problem.
Today it's back, although not quite as strong.
One of the money phrases on another site has slipped 100 places - all others results for this site remain very similar. This is still the case today.
No need to panic about anything just yet, but wouldn't a PR update be fun :-)