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Several sites still retain a pagerank of zero - with no logical reason. Sites have lost a considerable amount of traffic for several months because of a penalization by Google. Some sites have regained their pagerank. Some have regained it partially for just the index page.
Did Google even make an effort to sort this out? I have my doubts...
Thoughts?
This can be VERY dangerous IF this would be true!
and that would be totaly not good. my sites have pr 0. So if i want to "destroy" some good sites i just put tons of links to them. dont like competitor? make few sites, get affected by pr 0 and make extensive linking to competitor you dont like. You cant loose since you have pr 0 and you get no hits. But while you "sink" you can take some that you dont liek with you. So let me find the list of sites that i dont like (jsut kidding but the point is there)
OF COURSE this all apllies IF this "theory" is true that you suggested.
BoL, that would be cool but HOW would google know that it is not crosslinking but jsut normal linking? Few questions:
For example you have site A. 10 other sites link to you. So No matter how bad they are they cant harm your site?
If this is true then what if you put links back to these sites? Imediatelly you can get PR 0?
also let say you have nice site and one othersite decides to link to you. however they have pr 0 penalty. since you are not SEO expert you have no idea what pr 0 is. You accept this and link them back - imediatelly you are in "bad neighbourhood" and can get penalized. NOT knowing the laws doesnt make an valid excuse for not getting penalčized but in our case - laws are NOWHERE written - only speculated!
Jon
(edited by: JonB at 2:36 pm (utc) on April 8, 2002)
(edited by: JonB at 2:37 pm (utc) on April 8, 2002)
I have tried to read all the relevant posts on google penalties but I still need some clarification
1) If crosslinking is the problem. Is removing all outgoing links to similar sites probably my only solution.
2) If I really am removed from the index, will google recrawl the removed URL at the next update - or do I have to resubmit or let google find it "naturally" again.
3) Is there any sort of linking scheme entirely within your site that causes a penalty. i.e circular.
4) Could signing a bunch of guestbooks with no return link to my site be a reason for penalty.
I just discovered your forum, and I already dont know what I would do without it.
Thanks,
Jerid
JonB
I think Google truly realises that knocking your competitors off their perch would be all too easy under the circumstances mentioned. After all, GG comes in here many a time and no doubt has read the well documented scenario
I *think* alot of PR0's previously were certain spam filters, but this update, after a deep crawl of the web has seen this new "bad neighbourhoods" deal. "mapping the web" (?) seems to be easy for the likes of google, and they can easily determine what is "right and wrong" in regards to linking.
I understand the can of worms that you are opening ;) We can either figure it out amongst ourselves or see if GG has something to add.
Buy as I say, I dont think incoming links can have any negative effect. I think the whole point of the exercise is a Google attempt to clean up sites, who may rely quite heavily on the big G for revenue and traffic. We are talking about livelihoods here :)
PR0's .... all I can suggest is that some of you are the "bad neighbourhoods" yourselves, regardless of whether you link to them or not :)
Note to myself : This thread is a grey area, apart from the GG statements and any deductions made from it. I hope he previews his posts :)
(edited by: ciml at 3:22 pm (utc) on April 8, 2002)
It looks as though the new Google update has restored your backlinks (and PageRank). Hopefully you'll see yourself in www2.google.com and soon the Toolbar should show green for you.
It's better not to put addresses into posts.
BUT like all psots in this forums, this is jsut speculations :)
(edited by: Iamkim at 4:07 pm (utc) on April 8, 2002)
I understand this is going to sound like a real newbie question, but, is a Page Rank 0 equivalent to having all of my pages completely removed from the google index - as in the circumstance I described in my recent post?
Maybe some programming genius hanging out here will provide us with a tool that looks at all the links on our website and flags those that are pointing at residents of bad neighborhoods.
Over the years I have traded links with many sites ... some relevant and some that were just interesting or webmaster friends and acquaintances. Maybe some of them have gone astray and wandered into spammy neighborhoods. There are so many links spread around on my site it would be quite a chore to manually go check them all out.
So how about it ... can someone come up with a tool that spiders a website and lists the Google PR of each link on that site? Or is their already such a tool that I don't know about?
With PR0 nothing shows up in a link:yoursite.com search and you get an all-white toolbar PageRank graph. The pages are listed, but not highly. This can happen because of an automatic penalty from Google's software, or because no one links to you.
When you are unlisted (and have a grey Toobla PR graph) you just aren't in Google's index at all. This can be because Google couldn't connect to your server for a while, because you have been given a penalty by a human in Google, or because Google lost the information or forgot to crawl you.
The latter seems unusual but there seem to be a few more 'missing' sites than normal. See this thread [webmasterworld.com] and this thread [webmasterworld.com].
My site has been affected by the "PR0" problem that everyone has been discussing here. I've emailed Google several times in an attempt to figure out what is causing this for my site [in my profile] and how to resolve the situation.
Could you please look at my site and let me know what is causing the problem? In addition to what is currently visible on the site I've just recently removed a directory of women's business links after reading that this might be a possible cause of my PR0 problem.
Thank You,
Nancy Clark
I know why and I have removed the offending links...
Can I safely assume based on Googleguys first comments in this thread that the bots will come back to visit me and if they don't find the offending HTML, I have a chance of getting some page rank back?
I dont know if this will help but 2 of my sites were hit by PR0 - and I know which pages are the guilty ones on mine (a 3rd site wasn't hit because I messed up my internal link page for that site).
For both the PR0 sites, when I viewed Googles "contains" search for the URL - there were a load of offending pages which contained just a link - no cache, no attempt at a description. Doing the same for your site I found the same thing. (I will sticky mail the Google search URL to you)
Are these pages trying to do anything clever with frames or redirects? Mine were and I deserved the PR0.
And when the size of a web grows more than 100k, could it be the reason of disappearing from Google's index?!
Now, in new google's index, my personal site shows up in the first page when typing my first name [which was a short term goal], however, one of the internal pages which was driving a lot of traffic to the web site [and, of course, updated by visitors!] grew higher than 100k and now it doesn't exist anymore!!! I will split it into a couple of pages, but, how long does it take to recover?!
[webmasterworld.com...]
A.Woumblat : What are the reasons for a url to disappear from the Google database ?
Most of the time, it's because we only have a certain amount of space to store pages in our index. I wish that we could catch every page on the web for every index, but sometimes we have to choose.
If you look for some specific keywords it's still the first [I have the evidence, looking at www] but those keywords wont make google to show the site even in the first 100 results!
I guess that could be the result of being more than 100k, since the size of the page recently went more than 100k [it's 103k now, however, I'll cut it into several pages in a few minutes]. Could it be the new regulations?
Thanks :)
Do a "site search" here at WebmasterWorld for lots of info regarding page rank.
Could you take a look at my site and 'please' tell me why the site's penalized or banned or put to black list for so many months?
Looks like Google took out all my in-bound links...
I did a search with this command: link:http://www.mydomain.com/
Zero result...
Place your mouse over the green bar and don't move it for 10 seconds. You will see the alt text (or whatever you want to call it) appear. Just make sure you don't move your mouse when it is hovering over the green bar.
You have a pop-up window advertisment on your home page. I've heard that google is penalizing for pop-ups.
For what its worth nice site, I've been waiting for a cheap USB DVD drive that i can install on several computers. Seems HP is going to come out with a new one i hope it is cheap.
NFFC, quoting GG:
>>>He actually said "pointing to a spammy site is much worse than the other way around".<<<
Chris_R:
>>>I am pretty sure that new sites and sites with few links can now be harmed by having crap pointing to you.<<<
We can't control what others do without our knowledge, but when people are warned to watch out and they deliberately allow spammy inbound links, they're actually inviting them and asking for trouble. That's a different story.
This has me nervous. I'm sending out some disclaimer email tonight.
I think Chris is hitting on it; why wouldn't percentages count for something.
thanks. I own both e-usb, and the usb-workshop site. I abandoned workshop site at least a year ago. And I have no link whatsoever to the old workshop site.
Still, I haven't no idea why Google banned the site.
