Beating the penalty effect

[SlowMove]

All my sites are old and indexed.

Thinking about new sites. Will high quality content sites get indexed quickly? Is anyone doing anything to get indexed quickly?

[Airportibo]

The more people link to your site, the more high quality links you get, the faster your new site will be indexed. The better your content, the higher the chance that people are willing to link to you. (to answer your first question)
But usually I don't wait for people to do this by themselves. So the other options are:
- put links on other websites I already have
- kindly ask other webmasters
- pay for a link(s)

[allanp73]

I don't think it is an old or new issue. Indexing is only a link issue. Have good internal linking and get strong external linking. If you launch a new site or add new pages make sure that Google finds links to this new content. When I launch a new section to my websites I usually add a link to it from my home page. If I launch a new site I do the same.
I have never had a problem with Google indexing a site. This has nothing to do with Sandboxing.

[nuevojefe]

SlowMove,

I think you're more interested in ranking right? I mean lots of people have sites that are indexed but due to the lag time or whatever else they are not ranking at all which does them no good.

[graywolf]

Indexing is easy ranking is hard for brand new sites. I haven't had anything come out since May. It's getting kind of frustrating.

[Lothar]

Ditto here. No sites out of sandbox since beginning of April 2004. Some sites have many quality links also so go figure.

[Powdork]

I have never had a problem with Google indexing a site. This has nothing to do with Sandboxing.

Huh? [webmasterworld.com]

The Sandbox exists, and it is full of cat dung.:(

Google is currently making dmoz look like an Indy Car.;)

[Beachboy]

If I were a Google competitor with a decent advertising budget, I would be sure to mention that "our" search engine gives users new sites as well as established sites, and point out that Google hasn't been much interested in this for months. In its attempt to thwart SEOs, Google has committed a classic throw the baby out with the bathwater kind of goof.

[dhaliwal]

my advice will be to have a name fast move instead of slowmove.

Don't take it on lighter side, but having a name like this, you are presenting yourself to slow at many things.

My suggestion is to put links to new content from your current website pages which are indexed everyday by google. So in case there is a deep crawl, you will get your whole site indexed in one day.

I have news site, it gets indexed after every 4 days, cause we have nearly 30 websites pointing to all the new pages on one website.

[BeeDeeDubbleU]

If I were a Google competitor with a decent advertising budget, I would be sure to mention that "our" search engine gives users new sites as well as established sites, and point out that Google hasn't been much interested in this for months.

Good point! What if the competition started making the point that Google "cannot" display new sites for three or four months?

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[elmarpanzenberger]

Fully agree with dhaliwal,

I have new sites and new pages every week and most of them get indexed within days - but there are indeed even some sites and pages which aren't indexed since months.
If I find out why I'll let you know ...

[ukgimp]

Getting indexed is easy (less than 24 hours), any joker can do that. Moving into and then out of some sort of sand box is not that trivial though

[elmarpanzenberger]

I've never experienced that sandbox-thing, so I really can't tell you - when my sites go indexed they show up in the serps quite immediately.
But ... I am targetting keywords in german and italian, maybe those serps are not affected?

[netnerd]

So does anyone have any idea of how to "beat the sandbox" as per the topic?

[jsnow]

I don't think there is any way to beat the sandbox, I have a similar scenario with a site - indexed quickly, slowly built lots of good quality links but still no movement.

I may be wrong but I think the DMOZ listing has some sort of bearing on it!

[netnerd]

jsnow

I dont know about DMOZ - it may have abearing, but im sure it is not essential to have a dmoz listing to get out of a sandbox.

Anyone else got any ideas?

[Pass the Dutchie]

In my experience the ‘sandbox effect’ only affects new websites and not new pages on an existing website.

New pages on an existing website are normally spidered in 24hrs, indexed and are ranked accordingly in a matter of weeks or even days. The positions of the new page in the SERPS is what counts. The page’s Page Rank can take 1-3 months plus to adjust to the new ranking of the page. Basically the PR lags behind the SERP results by 1-3 months.

New websites indexed around March/April 2004 it seems now have to wait 6 months min before seeing a return on investment.

My money is the next big update is scheduled for the on the end of September ; )

[mfishy]

<<Google is currently making dmoz look like an Indy Car>>

LOL! Yahoo must be a rocket ship!

Yes, the problem of new sites scoring at all is getting worse. All they have accomplished is now old junk sticks around longer :)

[phantombookman]

I don't know how to beat it but I could beat the Guy who's idea it was!

I think a months quarrantine is OK, longer if the site looks spammy etc.
I've been sandboxed for over 2 months now with a site, very frustrating.

One point I have not heard mention is what happened to me recently.
I had someone considering a website, more or less decided but when he asked about Google rankings etc I warned him of the sandbox effect and he decided not to bother!

Petty I know but I lost the job all the same

Regards
Rod

[JoeyBall]

I have a site thats 3 months in the making, it has some good quality links pointing to it, its slowly ranking better on yahoo and msn, top 30 for a competitive keyword but it isnt even on the last page on google.

Recently after reading a few posts on this forum i tried allintitle: Keyword and found my site no.6 for that keyword.

Can anyone explain to me what this means. My site doesn't exist anywhere on the serps but when i type in allintitle:keyword my site is in the top 10.

[dvduval]

Seems to me we now have a case of the haves and have nots.
If you already have some high PR sites, you can simply point a bunch of links at new pages and get ranked. If not, you are SOL.

[SlowMove]

I could understand this sanbdox thing if there was no junk in the SERPS. How much worse could it get by adding new sites?

[div01]

I may be wrong but I think the DMOZ listing has some sort of bearing on it!

I don't think so. I launched a site in Feb, got a DMOZ listing in May and the site has good PR, is indexed often but hardly gets any traffic from Google. I have another site that was launched a little later and is also in DMOZ but gets no more than a handful of hits from it.

[cabbie]

>>I don't know how to beat it but I could beat the Guy who's idea it was!<<

LOL

[sean]

How much worse could it get by adding new sites?

A worthy question.

Maybe it is as bad as any of us could imagine, trillions of pages of autogenerated content that cannot be filtered or flagged, and GoogleGuy pacing around the 'plex, muttering "you can't handle the truth!"

Or perhaps the Googlers have grown old and gray, are punching the clock, waiting for retirement, and complaining about how "back in my day, web pages did not have Copyright 2004, and we liked it."

one must wonder...

[hooloovoo22]

Try using subdomains of one of your existings sites, if possible.

[Hugene]

I actually think DMOZ can somewhat help. This is taken from Google (see page here [google.ca]) :

If you are having difficulty getting listed in the Google index, you may want to consider submitting your site to Yahoo! or Netscape. You can submit to Yahoo! by visiting [docs.yahoo.com...] You can submit your site to Netscape's Open Directory Project (DMOZ) by visiting www.dmoz.org. Once your site is included in either of these directories, Google will often index your site within six to eight weeks.

What might help too is AdWord. Basically, you let Google know about your site, and keywords you think are related to it. I would be surprised if it doesn't force the site to show up in the SERPs.

[div01]

A DMOZ or Yahoo listing will help you get spidered and added in the index, but that still doesn't mean you'll be out of the sandbox. As I mentioned before, my sandboxed sites are spidered and in the Google index, they just suck in the SERPS.

[nuevojefe]

>Div01,

The above post was better than your first because you got to the point that your rankings suck.

Often people talk about the sandbox saying they get low/no traffic. That doesn't tell us anything because we have no clue how much they *should* be getting and where they are actually ranking. KnowwhatImean?

[Pass the Dutchie]

Div01

Ditto that.

My high PR sites indexed back in Feb '04 with the 'old' ranking system should have out ranked the comp in the SERPS by now. However despite using a formula that currently works for all my sites pre '04 all new sites are currently underperforming.

I can only put this down to the 'crawling out of the sandbox effect' whereby new sites (not new pages on an existing site) are held back or filtered/dampened until a certain time has elapsed and/or a certain variety of both high and low PR inbound links are gathered.

Plus Google's IPO has put us all back a couple of months.