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The homepage has two URLs and both have the same PR:
The other two pages that have PR are
and their PR is one less the PR of the homepage. The '?&' is caused by our CMS. I'm afraid to fix it right now because I want to be sure my pages are included in the next PR update.
Personally, I wouldn't assume what the toolbar shows is what the algo is using at the moment for PR. I have a hunch Google has intentionally made these different to try and confuse the heck out of SEOs. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Umm...I mean pay no attention to that PR display on your toolbar. ;)
At the moment the only reason as far as I can see these pages should be so far down in the SERPS is that the PR has not been updated in a long time.
I just keep telling them to be patient and that the hard work we've done will be rewarded as the site really does offer quality content and we have not employed any tricks or spamming tactics.
I hope there is a PR update soon!
If this thread is about unusual PR updating activity I'm curious to see what others have to say about that. Google Directory PR does give a small indication as to where sites may go in the next update (please, nobody explain that sites don't have PR - we're talking home pages here). But if Google has changed the way it updates PR (again) that is news to me.
But what do you mean by "PR updating"? What the toolbar shows, or what the algo in fact is using for PR? If you want to focus this thread on possible changes on how Google is updating PR, then I'll ask the readers here the following. Does anyone here have a site where the on page content hasn't changed at all in a long time, currently shows low PR, but has also fairly recently picked up some links from very high PR page, such as multiple PR6s, or a PR7? Such sites would be quasi-experimental example to test if displayed toolbar PR is different than what the algo is using. If the PR the toolbar displays is lagging behind what the algo uses, then with sites like I mention above I would expect that they would jump up in the SERPs before they show higher PR on the toolbar. Particularly so for extemely uncompetitive SERPs that the home page be a match for just because this combination of words happens to appear in the visible text. If all a page has going for it is high PR, this just won't cut the mustard to rank well for any SERP people are trying to rank well for. However, high PR goes a long way with totally non-competitive SERPs.
"a site where the on page content hasn't changed at all in a long time, currently shows low PR, but has also fairly recently picked up some links from very high PR page, such as multiple PR6s, or a PR7"
There you go again being both logical and scientific, you'll confuse the hell out of some of these guys
Yes a PR7 link to a PR0 page
No.1 in G
LOL. Blind them with science. :)
>Yes a PR7 link to a PR0 page
>No.1 in G
This is the sort of evidence that I am looking for. PR0 pages don't tend to rank well in Google, and if one has a known PR7 page linking to it and rockets to #1 in the SERP, this suggests the PR the algo is using is different than what the toolbar shows.
If all a page has going for it is high PR, this just won't cut the mustard to rank well for any SERP people are trying to rank well for
rfgdxm1, <sigh> nobody is arguing that visible PR is the same as the PR the algo is using; we are not even arguing that PR is the be all and end all of ranking high in SERPS. Any experiments to prove any of that is immaterial from the point of view of this thread's original post which does not beg any explanations of how toolbar/PR works if it does work and/or it's relevance in search results.
Back OT, has anyone seen individual internal pages gaining PR recently (since the last "update")? If so then are we headed for no more "PR is updating" threads? i.e. is Google moving over to a continous process of updating toolbar PR instead of doing it major chunks? If it is how long is it taking between getting a high PR link and seeing the toolbar on your page move up?
The problem was that the phrasing of the OP was ambiguous. To me, PR means "that value that the Google algo uses to rank pages" and NOT "how many green pixels are there on my toolbar?" I was quite aware of the existence of something called PageRank long before there was such a thing as the Google Toolbar, and that quite obviously microsoft.com had more of this PageRank thingy than the homepages of teenagers. Given that it seems apparent that algo PR and toolbar PR now update at different times, may I suggest that when people post about PR that they make it clear which of the 2 they refer to? For those who would argue that the only PR anyone can know about is what the toolbar shows, this just isn't so. If I have a page with a toolbar PR of 2, and I get a new inbound link to that page from a toolbar PR8 page with few outbound links, likely it will be all kinds of obvious from the SERPs for that page of mine when the algo PR is updated.
may I suggest that when people post about PR that they make it clear which of the 2 they refer to
That is a reasonable request and would make things clearer, definitely. Perhaps TPR as a shortcut? (APR and DRP could be used for algo and directory PR respectively)
I don't think TPR is total scam, though. Apart from the above two differences, TPR seemed pretty consistent to me: APR update of all pages, APR factored into serps, TPR Update.
I also seem to have noticed that the PR update algo has been changed some time ago to go only so far to new, internal pages of a site, traversing deeper into a site every time PR is updated. This affected APR and TPR as well.
So if your site is languishing down in the 100's, I'd get to work on other things rather than sit and wait for a Google PR update that might never come.
I noticed a minor PR update on my site yesterday.
The home page (index.php) has gone from PR5 to PR0 whilst the root / is still reading as PR5. Could this be Google dropping one in favour of the other? Most of the site's links point back to index.php so it's a little confusing that it now has PR0.
The site is still getting the same level of traffic so I'm not worried about any kind of penalty. I assume that this will resolve itself with the next PR update.
Anyone else seen this?
I'm also not too sure why people are talking about toolbar PR changes and increases/decreases in traffic.
What Google use to rank sites is not the PR we are seeing in the toolbar.
If/when we do see a change I'm pretty sure it will be reflecting somehting that happened a while back.