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Dupe content checker - 302's - Page Jacking - Meta Refreshes

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Marcello

11:35 am on Sep 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My site, lets call it: www.widget.com, has been in Google for over 5-years, steadily growing year by year to about 85,000 pages including forums and articles achieved, with a PageRank of 6 and 8287 backlinks in Google, No spam, No funny stuff, No special SEO techniques nothing.

Normally the site grows at a tempo of 200 to 500 pages a month indexed by Google and others ... but since about 1-week I noticed that my site was loosing about
5,000 to 10,000 pages a week in the Google Index.

At first I simply presumed that this was the unpredictable Google flux, until yesterday, the main index-page from www.widget.com disappeared completely our of the Google index.

The index-page was always in the top-3 position for our main topics, aka keywords.

I tried all the techniques to find my index page, such as: allinurl:, site:, direct link etc ... etc, but the index page has simply vanished from the Google index

As a last resource I took a special chunk of text, which can only belong to my index-page: "company name own name town postcode" (which is a sentence of 9
words), from my index page and searched for this in Google.

My index page did not show up, but instead 2 other pages from other sites showed up as having the this information on their page.

Lets call them:
www.foo1.net and www.foo2.net

Wanting to know what my "company text" was doing on those pages I clicked on:
www.foo1.com/mykeyword/www-widget-com.html
(with mykeyword being my site's main topic)

The page could not load and the message:
"The page cannot be displayed"
was displayed in my browser window

Still wanting to know what was going on, I clicked " Cached" on the Google serps ... AND YES ... there was my index-page as fresh as it could be, updated only yesterday by Google himself (I have a daily date on the page).

Thinking that foo was using a 301 or 302 redirect, I used the "Check Headers Tool" from
webmasterworld only to get a code 200 for my index-page on this other site.

So, foo is using a Meta-redirect ... very fast I made a little robot in perl using LWP and adding a little code that would recognized any kind of redirect.

Fetched the page, but again got a code 200 with no redirects at all.

Thinking the site of foo was up again I tried again to load the page and foo's page with IE, netscape and Opera but always got:
"The page cannot be displayed"

Tried it a couple of times with the same result: LWP can fetch the page but browsers can not load any of the pages from foo's site.

Wanting to know more I typed in Google:
"site:www.foo1.com"
to get a huge load of pages listed, all constructed in the same way, such as:
www.foo1.com/some-important-keyword/www-some-good-site-com.html

Also I found some more of my own best ranking pages in this list and after checking the Google index all of those pages from my site has disappeared from the Google index.

None of all the pages found using "site:www.foo1.com" can be loaded with a browser but they can all be fetched with LWP and all of those pages are cached in their original form in the Google-Cache under the Cache-Link of foo

I have send an email to Google about this and am still waiting for a responds.

DanThies

8:20 pm on Nov 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Has there been any response from Google on this issue? I first raised it well over a year ago. Will it require something serious (like an online banking site getting hijacked and used for fraud) before they do something?

TravelMan

10:28 am on Nov 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I thinking the knocking out of user websites is pretty serious as it is Dan, wouldn't you agree?

Stefan

3:44 pm on Nov 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I believe I've answered my question wrt that grubby Travel site, (Mastered it etc). With all that hijacking, they're still at a PR3. Pitiful. They can hijack our pages all they want, it won't accomplish anything. Out of our 303 pages in G, I believe there are only a handful as low as PR3, and they tend to be .doc's and .dat's

All the same, I don't understand why G can't easily correct this and boot them. Their entire site is made up of hijacked pages.

Lorel

7:37 pm on Nov 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi Folks,

I had GREAT success reporting one tracker2 hijacker (not the one mentioned above--this one sells music cds). I wrote to the hosting company, quoting their own TOS and pointing out the rules being broken by this hijacker, and included the hijacker's domain info and a copy of the bounced letter trying to contact the hijacker, and I received the following reply within 24 hours:


I have emailed the user. I have given him 24 hours to remove the information. If he does not, we will remove his account tomorrow at 12:30pm est, Nov. 18th. Please email me around 12:30pm tomorrow and let me know if your information has been removed.

PS. here is the reply I got from Google when I reported this hijacker in the spam abuse contact page:


Thank you for your note. Google aggregates and organizes information
published on the web; we don't control the content of these pages. In this
instance, we suggest that you directly address the webmaster of the page
in question. For more information about our Terms of Service, please visit
[google.com...]

If you encounter sites that are trying to deceive our web crawlers, please
submit a report at [google.com...] We use
these reports to collect data that our engineers use to devise scalable
solutions to fight spam in our search results. While we do not always take
action on individual sites as a result of these reports, please be assured
that we are using the information to make large-scale improvements to our
system.

We appreciate your assistance in maintaining the quality of our search
results.

Regards,
The Google Team

Thanks to everyone for your tips on how to stop these hijackings.

Lori

eyezshine

8:11 am on Nov 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Is there any way to prevent the hijackings? Like blocking referrals with "tracker2.php" in the url etc... and giving google a 404 page when it follows the redirects?

I tried this and it works when I changed the url on my site so that the page the hijacker redirects to get's a 404 error page not found. Then I used google's url removal tool to remove the hijacker url. ssshhh don't tell google...

So if I had something that would automatically do that it would help a ton. just something that would give a 404 responce to anyone with "tracker2.php" in the referrer string would work.

That would prevent this from happening again.

Any ideas?

rj87uk

10:18 am on Nov 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What about 'on mouseover' Refresh? I am seeing a site that has Lots of spam pages that rank high in Google for some terms the user clicks on the website and if they move they're mouse, the page refreshes to the websites home page.

I reported it to google, And let the website owner know its against the Google TOS. We are not in direct competition yet, but moving into the market and looking to make room for my NON spammy, sweat and tears made website :)

I thought Google got rid of this problem I remember when it was 'big' but they still rank high!?!

Pricey

11:38 am on Nov 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A similar thing happened on one of my Forums, although it was mainly porn sites adding 1x1px images with an onload event that changed the document url to their site.

I have fixed this by banning any posts with "onload" in the text.

Seo1

12:49 pm on Nov 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi there

I think the simplest way to battle this is to go to the offending domains ISP and shove thier TOS in their face to force them to take action.

Next is to post the offending sites name on line.

Another thing you can do is build a page with the keywords
"pages hijackers" "webste hijacker" webpage hijacker" and then go on a 700 word rant about the scum. Dont forget to use your keywords a few times and then submit the page to google ;-> Watch it get picked up quickly.

Really want to have some fun..submit the scum sites e-mail addresses to porn sites, pharmacy sites and gambling sites.

Next sign up to Google Groups and start a rant on Googles redirect failure. Bet google takes notice real quick.

Also Google has lots of investors if anyone has an extra $80.00 they can sign up at www.prweb.com for full service press release, Write a press release explaining Googles algorithims errors....The one way links back to your site doing this would probably boost your Google PR 3 points or so.

Also if you live near a major city most police departments have an internet crimes division and they can be of assistance.

You can do a google search on the law by typing in "crimes by computer"

Also if the offending site is not in the same state or country as yours the FBI or your local law enforceent could become involved since it involves "hijackings" which is illegal no matter what the goods are that are being transported.

Several other terms that you can research or use to write to the sites ISP:

"copyright infringement"
"trademark infringement"
"theft by deception"
"crimes by computer"
"crimes over the internet"
and with a sharp lawyer
"identity theft"

One could probably even go so far as to notify the domain name registar as well.

Also couldnt adding a meta to your pages like so beat this?

<META HTTP-EQUIV="refresh" CONTENT="2; URL=http://www.mydomain.com">

Oh an another though...take it to the blogs and other seo forums.

Use keyword terms like "Google Ripoff" "Google Error" "Google Investor Alert" in your forum signatures and blogs.

Signed
An insane seo with a wicked revenge streak who cant stand blackhat seo

Clint

JuniorOptimizer

1:39 pm on Nov 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Are the hijackers making any real money doing this?

zeus

1:49 pm on Nov 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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OK this is some interesting reading, I also have lost some big ranking, so how do you see if you got hijacked and what can you do - please a biginner guide.
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