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1:49 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi everyone. Hoping someone could shed some light on this,

My site's page ranking (on the Google Toolbar) on the INDEX page only has gone from 4 to 0. All my other pages are fine, unchanged as far as I can see.

Now, whats even more puzzling to me, is that I am searching for my various keywords and my site still comes up fine.

Even though the search results seem unchanged, I am kinda concerned that it just hasnt updated or something.

Question: Does Google 'ban' individual pages? The page in question is the 'default' page when you type in the URL. No redirect at all, good clean text. It basically just lists the features of my web-application, with some "current news" underneath.

Any insight on this would be GREATLY appreciated!

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I am seeing the same thing but from PR6 to 0 on the index page only.
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My PR 7 home page has now become a 0. Other pages in the site remain unchanged. I don't believe the page is banned (yet), as it still ranks well for some competitive searches.
8:02 pm on Sept 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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See thats my problem with this. If I was banned (and I cant see why I would be), I figure all my pages would be ranked at 0 and the searches would not return my site in the results. I am ranked exactly the same (position 1-5 on my desired keywords).
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The toolbar hasn't been trustable in quite a long time. I wouldn't put too much stock in the numbers you see.
8:09 pm on Sept 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you are in the G directory, check the PR there.
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I think I found the answer, although my site remains in DMOZ (and has been there for many years)- Google has removed it from their directory.

Any ideas as to why this has happened?

8:41 pm on Sept 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Another theory:

Recently Google has been cramming down alot of sites to their domain names. This means that if you had PR6 for www.example.com/index.html and Google now only shows www.example.com in its results then you lose the PR.

How does that one sound? With the move to 'intelligent searches' I'm assuming that the Toolbar will have more of a connection with the actual results we see.

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All backlinks to the homepage are gone as well. Still have pagerank in the directory.
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Recently Google has been cramming down alot of sites to their domain names. This means that if you had PR6 for www.example.com/index.html and Google now only shows www.example.com in its results then you lose the PR.

There's been a lot of that, I've seen some just today. You can't have links to www.example.com and example.com and index.htm and the other possible variations; it has to all be the same, and if it isn't then it has to be handled server-side.

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So, if I am understanding you right, its really not that big of a deal? I mean, I just want to be sure that my site comes up in the searches (which it is).

Or, are you saying that I should double check to make sure that my internal links are pointing to www.mydomain.com instead of www.mydomain.com/default.aspx?

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Is this index page which has become PR0 lost its rankings? or the rankings have remained unchanged?
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The rankings have stayed the same. I see no change at all in my rankings when i type the important keywords. Honestly, in one keyword phrase that I had been working on in my content, I notice I am #2 (from 7-8).
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try going to Google and do a site:www.yoursite.com search. Look through your pages in Google's index and see if you have any strange looking listings which include no descriptions.

Do all the pages listed in Google belong there? Have you mistakenly left a page on your server with no links to it? (Orphan page)

I have done this twice in the past and just did it again this past month. I earned myself (for the third time) a PR0 for my index page. All other pages rank.

Its worth looking every month if you are doing a lot of work on your site. Its such an easy thing to do!

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My site previously had a PR of 5 and appx. 300 backlinks in Google.

My main page and most of my subsections and individual pages are now showing a PR of 0 as of last week.

Also, NO backlinks are showing anymore.

HTML errors? Google hiccup?

should i wait it out? I've been waiting it out for 1 year!

we don't do anything sneaky, it's a clean site..

we were having problems with www.mysite.com and shop.store.yahoo.com/mysite/ but i thought we were past this problem... this is unavoidable but has caused duplicate content problems before..

any ideas?

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i believe that something is cooking
1 pages with PR 0 showing backlinks and ranking top
2 new pages 5-6 months old with Pr 5+ are to be found on SERPS at the #50-90 page
3 established pages like(who doesnt know the 2 letters affiliate giant) has a PR0
4 pages with 2000-5000 backlinks have only a PR 4 and Pages with 30 backlinks have a PR5-6,in that matter i believe G has become amazing genius ,in brief if you have 30 IBL from quality high rank pages relative to your subject you dont need a million IBL from unrelated sites,thats probably a reason that many sites have lost resently PR -1 or - 2 or got a PR 0 because they have used just to exchange links with whatever.So double check your link partenares
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"1 pages with PR 0 showing backlinks and ranking top "
i forgot here to say that the backlinks of those PR0 pages are related to the subject
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I am not sure my problem is bad back links. I dont have an active linking strategy (although I should). People link to my site because its a useful web-application to manage teams.

Regardless, it would certainly seem that *something* is going on..

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PR0 Home page and NO backlinks - all other pages have pr and most backlinks are gone.
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I have a new (3 months old) level 2 page that is pr0. It also dosen't feature in the results, except under the site: command.

Has google reduced number of outbound links it counts on a page from 100?

9:01 pm on Sept 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've got one of these PR0's. In my case it was 301 redirected a few months ago, and neatly took the place of the page it was replacing (which was a PR5) like clockwork, but never DID come up with anything but a PR0. It isn't a default page or replacing one. It's #11 in an extremely competitive term (even moved up about 10 spots in the process), and shows 40+ BLs, but a PR0 (which I'm sure P.O.s the people ranked below it :) I assumed it was just a hiccup by G forgetting to assign it a PR.
Most Interestingly, I happened to notice though that it is not being listed on the BLs of any of the pages it links. I know the PR bar and BLs are highly sketchy lately on G, but is this maybe a new category of page? Ranks, but not passing rank? Could they maybe be hiding PRs of pages which CHANGE rank recently to discourage selling PR? Anyone else seeing this?
Just an observation.
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>>> it was 301 redirected

hmm... anyone else?

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Just checked my actual PR on the G Directory and that is fine. Seems to be a toolbar issue of some sort. Most of the sites I have designed are seeing the same issue, PR 0 on the index page, but the usual PR 4, 5 + 6 on the rest. Very strange indeed.....
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My site's page ranking (on the Google Toolbar) on the INDEX page only has gone from 4 to 0. All my other pages are fine, unchanged as far as I can see.

I've had this happen to more than one site. After 3 to 4 weeks the PR came back. Sit tight and wait it out.
3:11 am on Sept 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We have a section which gets a new page once a week with the older ones linked as previous pages indefinitely. All the pages from June 23, 2004 forward are PR0. The ones before that all have some PR. In each case the most recent one is linked from a PR5 and each older gets linked to ONLY from the next newer. So the June 16 one which is the first with PR is a PR2 being linked only from a PR0. I'd say someone at G forgot to hit the 'update PR' switch for a few months.

In the case of the 301 redirected one I mentioned earlier, I think it just happened to get caught switching over in that June 23ish period and never got it's PR assigned/updated.

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If the rankings are still there I wouldn't worry much.

It's when the rankings/Ransom note go that you might be feeling the slow death.

 

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