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Google vs. Yahoo

Being listed #1 in Yahoo while #400 in Google

         

Kewe

9:36 am on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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In Yahoo I'm listed as nr.1 for some good keywords,
while Google listed me as nr.400.
This shows a big difference between these two SE's,
what can be the cause of this enormous difference?

trillianjedi

9:43 am on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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what can be the cause of this enormous difference?

Two completely different brand Search Engines with two completely different algorithms.

Isn't choice great?

Are you getting converting traffic from Yahoo?

TJ

[edited by: trillianjedi at 9:47 am (utc) on Aug. 26, 2004]

elgumbo

9:45 am on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Take a look at the posts in the relevant forums (Yahoo - [webmasterworld.com...] Google - [webmasterworld.com...] )

The current theories seems to believe that Yahoo favours onsite optimisation (keywords etc) whereas Google favours offsite (inbound links etc).

osfp

9:46 am on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)



because Yahoo search is a crap and to all those they have been banned from yahoo ,msn.and all Search Engines using yahoo results, though there pages are clean i can give you a duzin of url examples thats ranks high in there serps,to see the absolutely violation of Yahoo guide lines ....hidden text same color as background crosslinking ......ech.
if you want the url,s stinky me

Kewe

10:05 am on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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TJ: Are you getting converting traffic from Yahoo?

Good question, no that's the problem, I've got several sites ranked very high in Yahoo, but almost no converting traffic.
Ofcourse Yahoo isn't as big as google, nevertheless it's the second largest SE in the world, so you would expect to get pretty much traffic from it.

trillianjedi

10:17 am on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So what you really need is to switch your rankings in Yahoo! and Google... I bet there's a few here desperately rubbing lamps and hoping for Genies right now ;-)

Performance does seem to vary - there are a couple of webmasters here that I know swear by Yahoo! traffic (a few that get grade A quality traffic from MSN too).

It all depends on your little corner of the market.

How old are the sites? Have you been through the Google forums here to get some ideas on how to improve your rankings in google?

If you're in a competitive market space, the only true way in google is inbound anchor text links and patience (assuming you have the basics in place already - good content, structure, page titles etc).

I think you'd do well to ignore the fact that Yahoo! and Google are very different and produce different results and concentrate on improving your rankings in Google. Just forget about Yahoo! for the moment - you're #1 there anyway.

Staying with the off-page factors (anchor text inbound links) and having a little faith and a little patience will get you a long way.

TJ

luckychucky

10:32 am on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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> stinky me

Hee hee, ofsp

trillianjedi

10:39 am on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you're in a competitive market space, the only true way in google is inbound anchor text links and patience

I was wrong with that statement - you can also consider a PPC business model with Google (AdWords).

TJ

dirkz

12:22 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yahoo is still behaving weird. On my sites it prefers to rank old abandoned pages.

Must be totally different algos :)

rfgdxm1

1:23 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>The current theories seems to believe that Yahoo favours onsite optimisation (keywords etc) whereas Google favours offsite (inbound links etc).

Its much more complex than that. I have discovered one trick how to get a page to rank on Yahoo well using offsite links, including pages with incredibly poor on page optimization. And this works even when the inbound links are decidely of the black hat type. If I were to ever go over to the dark side, I could spam the heck out of Yahoo/MSN. I won't go into the specific details, given that this forum is read by a lot of SEOs of the black hat variety. ;)

dirkz

1:44 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Come on, don't be shy :) The more widespread a technique the faster yahoo will react.

At least you can sticky me the details.

walkman

1:53 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)



something is seriously, seriously wrong at Y! I have a domain with a coming soon text sentence. I linked once from an active site just so Google thinks that the site is older when its developed.

I was looking at my logs and I see a referral for a fairly popular keyword from Yahoo...the ONLY mention was in the META description and it was ranked 4th. Needless to say I was shocked.

surfgatinho

2:48 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yahoo does seem a bit stagnant and not very clever - which seems to favour some of my sites. I have top 5 SERPS for some very competitive keywords.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to pass on a fraction of the traffic Google does. It seems that I get more traffic from bizarre keyword combinations on Google than the main ones in Yahoo.

I'm sure Yahoo will change it's algo to be more like Google's at some point BUT at the moment they are probably benifiting from Google's algo:
i.e. if Google penalise for over-optimising then people stop doing it because after all G is more important. This means Yahoo also doesn't suffer from spamming as much. Of course there are things like cloaking but I've neot been there