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I have started checking other search engines that use google results and we’re not coming up in them either.
Google still shows about 254 backlinks and we still have our PR6 - and our Alexa Rating has improved slightly to ~74,000 – and when I do site:www.domain.com google shows it has 3,620 of our pages indexed.
Is this just a temporary anomaly that I should not be worried about (anyone else experience something similar)? I'm just panicky because our sales have plummeted BAD. This has never happened to me before. Should I yank the new pages or should I calm down and expect things to get better soon? :-¦
Anyway - my main concern is with our traffic & rankings falling.....HORRIBLY [virtually non-existant]! Is something triggered when Google finds a lot of new content on a site? I'm just wondering if Google yanked us temporarily while it re-analyzing our site... Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
I used to use the URL path as variables (looked like directories) - but with this old way it didn't really look like there was a file name because in the url string was the php page I wanted to use (a mess I know...but worked well)
Example of old product URL:
So I changed it to something VERY simple:
This is just my 2 cents, and hopefully others with greater insight will chime in for you, but I see two potential issues. If these are new pages, and you have made a lot of them, they will cause a couple of problems. One, you have now linked to a whole bunch of pages that are PR 0. There is nothing inherently wrong with that, but it will detract from the overall strength of your site, PR wise. Thus you could see a drop in rankings for say the home page, which may not have been altered at all.
Second, the new pages are now subject to the infamous “sand box” and will not rank on their own, for anything for a couple of months. This phenomenon is just a fact of life these days with Google.
I wouldn't recomment having both old and new ones. From my experience, one of them could be taged as "supplemental" and do not show up in SERP. If your new pages are tagged as "supplemental", you will lose a chance to rank in the future with new pages.
Well, does having the 301 redirects in place help pass the PR from the old pages to the new pages?
Also, are there some steps I could do to help the healing process? or are the 301's as much as I can do at this time? I'll do anything to get things going again!
I tried it once with one of my sites and lost the whole Google traffic and went back to old pages. However, this time, I am determined to wait...It has been about three weeks with no change of backlinks or something. Luckily the new domain got its PR (PR4) from the previous efforts. It doesn't have enough backlinks to rank on Google. It will take a while to get back the previous backlinks.
And of course I did 301 redirects to old pages but it doesn't seem to help much to speed things up. Yahoo still shows old pages after three weeks of change. Google dropped all the old pages and do not show any new pages for about ... two weeks now.
Get as many links to those product pages through site map or external links. and ... wait. and get the links ...and wait...
Sorry, I don't agree with that. I've added about 200 new pages over the past month to my site, and already with this mini-update I've seen these recently added pages appearing near the top in Google searches.
If the sandbox exists at all (and I'm not 100% convinced it does), it is for new sites - not new pages on existing sites - especially those sites with decent PR.
How long was it before you noticed your new pages ranking highly? Also, when you added your 200 pages - did your other pages drop in ranking for a while? I'm just curious if Google is "re-thinking" my site.
I still wish I knew if doing 301 redirects was a good thing to do. I left the 301's in place...just in case (unless I hear a strong argument to yank them)
I would have just left the old pages dangling (no more links from your site) and add the new ones, without any 301s. This could have provided a seamless transfer of ranking and traffic.
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About two weeks from the time they were uploaded to the time they appeared in the SERPS. Other pages stayed just fine in the rankings.
I actually didn't get the 301's in place for a couple days after I added all of the new content - and our traffic plumitted before I did the 301's - which makes me think some sort of flag went up with Google when it found all of the new pages. :-( I sure hope I doesn't take a couple of months to get back to normal.
If anyone else has any wisdom to provide - I'm ALL EARS! :-)
I would expand on that and say sandbox is for new external links. A new link pointing to any site, old or new, will be sandboxed. An internal link to a new page can rank well or not dependant on other factors.
There was a thread on this topic, switching domains with a 301. So same content, same links etc. and the site is still buried deep.
This could disprove the "new external links" theory. Though there are some cases that prove it.
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Then again, our site rankings dropped just before I even did the 301 redirects - so there was something about adding the new pages.
This is a difficult issue to research as I did not switch domains...all this took place on the same domain - I can't find any similar posts.
Questions I wanted to ask in my last post:
1) I'm now curious if having the old product pages linking to the new product pages is better since the old product pages have a PR (unless a 301 will eventually pass the old PR to the new page)?
2) Does Google pass the PR from old page two new page with 301s (remember, this is on the same domain)?
3) If Google doesn't pass the PR, wouldn't it be better to leave the old pages so their PR still exists for the site?
1) I don't see a reason to at this point. As it seems to stand, your old pages are out of the index, and you are waiting for something to be indexed again. You might consider adding a meta redirect on your old pages. You've got to have faith and patience at this point. Double check everything you did. Consider advertising for a while.
2) In my experience, yes. i know nothing about Google or PR
3) See 1.