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Let's work together to do a simple survey

Then we can make a conclusion

     
4:18 pm on Aug 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I always hate hypens in domain name, even a single hypen. And let's see if Google like it.

What you need to do is search your 2 main keywords, and check the Top 10 results, and list down how many of the domains are without hypen and how many of them has (even 1 hypen count).

For me.
1st keywords (2 words): All 10 without hypens
2nd keywords (3 words): 8 without hypens, 2 with hypens.

How about you?

6:14 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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<bring it up>
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I hate them in domains too, I own 8 domains with them, mostly because I want to protect my site's name.

OK...
First keyword (Two words) none with hypens.
2nd keywords (three words) none with hypens.

[edited by: robotsdobetter at 6:29 pm (utc) on Aug. 19, 2004]

6:19 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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1st keywords (2 words): All 10 without hypens
2nd keywords (2 words): All 10 without hypens
6:21 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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By the way, welcome to WebMasterWorld AthlonInside!
6:22 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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For me.

1st keywords (2 words): 8 without hypens, 2 with hypens.
2nd keywords (3 words): 7 without hypens, 3 with hypens.

Both results contain my site which has one hyphen.

I wonder what % of the web contains domains with hyphens? Probably a LOT more domains without hyphens. I know I would have had my domain without if it was available at time of registration but it was already gone.

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1st zero/ten
2nd one/ten
6:26 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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By the way, welcome to WebMasterWorld AthlonInside!

AthlonInside has over 600 posts under his/her belt. I think you misread this somehow webdude.

6:27 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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1st keywords (2 words): All 10 without hypens
2nd keywords (2 words): All 10 without hypens
6:34 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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1st keyword (2 words - 15.8m results) = 0 hypens
2nd keyword (2 words - 16.4m results) = 2 hypens
6:37 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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For me, two word keyword phrase :
1st ten results
Hyphenless : 9
With a hyphen : 1 (me - I'm top)

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1st keywords (1 word): 1 out of 10
2nd keywords (1 word): 1 out of 10

One point of order: wouldn't the non-hyphenated urls be more likely to be older, more establshed and with perhaps more incoming links?

6:47 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The sub-text of this thread ("Then we can make a conclusion") isn't quite as self-evident as it seems...

If the number of URLs with and without hyphens is roughly equal, then the number of results in the first ten with and without hyphens will (in the large) skew one way or the other if hyphens make a difference.

If the number of URLs without hyphens is one hundred times as large as the number with hyphens, then the absence of hyphened URLs in the first page is nothing to write home about (or to write here about!).

We mustn't rush to make a conclusion, any more than saying that you're more likely to see a stray cat in the road than a stray alligator. It's not because cats stray more than alligators, it's because there are more of them!

I'm just following Googleguy's comment that hyphens were OK, and they most definitely are as far as I'm concerned.
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I think the conclusion that AthlonInside wants to make is that nobody should use them!
7:10 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Most important keyphrase (two words): no hyphens in the top 10

Second most important (two words): One site with a hyphen, one site (not a spam site) with two hyphens

Third most important (two words): no hyphens in the top 10

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I've made $3,700 in affiliate income from a domain with 2 hyphens in it over the last 12 months. It's barely relevant to this thread, I'm just showing off :)

<added>And all my traffic comes from free Google serps</added>

7:30 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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#1 and # 2 - hyphens
8-10 - no hyphens

I'm #1 (thanks WebmasterWorld :)) and this domain has had a hyphen for years (6-7?), back before hyphens were ven talked about. It just reads easier. I also have the non-hyphen version of the name.

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1st. 8/10 with
2nd. 9/10 with
3rd. 7/10 with
7:57 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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1st keywords (2 words): 0 out of 10
2nd keywords (2 words): 0 out of 10
3nd keywords (3 words): 0 out of 10
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1st keywords (2 words): 0 out of 10
2nd keywords (2 words): 0 out of 10
3rd keywords (3 words): 0 out of 10
8:04 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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AthlonInside has over 600 posts under his/her belt. I think you misread this somehow webdude.

oops

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8:31 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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1st keywords (2 words): 6 without hypens, 4 with hypens.
2nd keywords (3 words): 6 without hypens, 4 with hypens.

I like them as long as there are no more than two.

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1st (1KW) 2 of 10 with - (4th and 5th place) (1 subdomain)

2nd (2kw) 0 of 10 with - (1 subdomain) 12th has a -

3rd (3kw) 0 of 10 with - (2 subdomains) 11th has a -

I added subdomain sites because similiar questions have been asked about rankings using them and it would be nice to see how they do as well.

My KW's are in the travel industry and are place specific with total results of 482k, 8,500k and 6,400k respectively

9:25 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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1st keyphrase 1/10
2nd keyphrase 1/10

Just to make it interesting, both of the ones with hyphens are me and both are #1.

9:36 pm on Aug 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If this thread leads to some people not renewing their hyphenated domain names so they will be available for me then I suppose it is serving some purpose besides being an example of how not to do statistical analysis.
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how not to do statistical analysis.

I was thinking the same thing.

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The original poster invited members to participate in a "simple survey," nothing more.
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1st keyword (1 word): 3 with hypens
2nd keyword (2 words): 1 with hypens
1:05 am on Aug 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The original poster invited members to participate in a "simple survey," nothing more.

Ummm... Here is the part of the heading of this thread that has me a bit concerned.

Then we can make a conclusion
2:15 am on Aug 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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let's see if Google like it

Gosh, if ever there was a bizarre survey... well here goes: one of my own sites is a single-hyphen domain made up from my two primary keywords. Would I prefer the keywords combined into a singleword domain? No. Are there any hypenated domains in the top ten? Yes - one (mine at #4). Do I think this demonstrates anything? No.

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