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A person who I meet almost-daily in the pub asked me to build a website for him. And so I did - and we're talking way back in April.
The site soon started getting a low number of links from a few PR0 websites (0 as in Zilch - A white bar) which may have a few 'behind-the-scenes' links from high-pr websites..
Anyway, soon after the next Google Update, I noticed a change in PR and it almost 'accidentally' (as you would like to call it) got a PR5. But how is that? I checked every backlink in the links that Google has recognized and each one has a PR0 (white bar).
I think this is a perfect example of the Hilltop algo being into play (if site a -> site b, and site b -> site c, then site a -> site c). Could this be though?
I dont' think hiltop has anything to do with PR. The reason for you getting a PR 5 can be many-
1) Probably you're not aware of any site having a nice PR linking to you.
2) It's still possible to achieve a PR 5 even if you'ver PR 0 sites linking to you. PR 0 shown by toolbar doesn't mean that the site has no PR. The PR may be in fractions.
3) The internal liking of your site is another very important factor in getting you a nice PR. You can have a internal linking to get the maxium out of PR equation of Google.
Maybe there is some serious re-shuffling going on with the Toolbar with the upcoming IPO as they have never really commercialised the Toolbar but you can bet the new shareholders will want to.
Expect to see Adwords showing up soon ......
Just my tuppence, which could be all it's worth, but I can't see where it can hurt to consider it as a possibility.
And like I said above, I have checked almost each link to see its PR not only from the toolbar, but some of the tools which let you check PR as well. All reported a 0 for each page.
The reason why I'm posting here is because I was just curious of that could have happened and I know it's something worth researching into for future reference.
Overall I think the answer is one from the two:
It never ceases to amaze me that professional SEO types would even consider using Google to check backlinks. They have never given an accurate account of this.
Every single post saying, "Why does siteX rank high with only 5 backlinks" can be answered by going to Yahoo! to check backlinks.
Not Hill Top. There's nothing suggested in the Hilltop algo which could change PR. Although that affiliation stuff is precalculated, it doesn't come into play until query time.
Also all these tools, you're using to check PR is simply using the same DB as Google, so doubt if that's a good test.
The recent update lists loads of non existent links to some of my sites. And many of the links that actually generate the PR is not showing (PR 7 site). So like everyone else has already mentioned, Google LP is and may stay completely pointless.
No, as I said above, I do use Yahoo! to check backlinks. I'm not amazed that it's ranking on top. I'm amazed the PR has gone up with PR0 links coming to it (i.e. not really a Yahoo! issue).
Some of you maybe right, maybe there's a hidden page (or pages) with high PR which I cannot see in the Google results. Or maybe Google is not showing all the links. There's something in there.
As for the Hiltop, I first thought it may be a case of that coming live as for the rumors. But when I think it over, I don't think it has anything to do with it (e.g. PR/Hiltop - two very different things).
It has NEVER shown all the links and this has become even more random in the last 3 odd weeks.
Use Yahoo backlinks to verify the PR of who is linking to you, NOT google.
>> I'm amazed the PR has gone up with PR0 links
Nah .. you've got a high PR6 inbound from somewhere or the other.
Once you've ruled out the obvious that no one with a PR6 is linking to you, look at a 301 redirect to your domain name, or your IP address (in which case you might have something in your .htaccess which does a 301 redirect to your domain for misqualified address (i.e. none www to www type redirect).
What I can do now is examine all the incoming links I have (this time get them from Yahoo! and referal logs; as opposed to Google) and check each link's PageRank.
I'm sure I'll find one -- and if I don't, I'll just take it the "visual" side of PageRank is whacked ;)
But I'm glad I figured this out and was stopped by beleiving invalid information (thanks all!).