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jsnow

11:39 am on Jul 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just done a bit of work on a site for a friend. Google indexed it about 2 weeks ago but it sin't showing up anywhere in the results for the keywords. It is a highly uncompetetive area, and I included a link on our (Completely unrelated) site, which now ranks #14 (no optimization for keywords).

Just wondering what other people's experience is of new sites and timescales for it being alowed out of the sandbox?

jsnow

12:36 pm on Jul 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Anybody?

Larryhat

1:02 pm on Jul 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sorry I can't help much. I'm still waiting for a clear concise, and unambiguous definition of the "Google Sandbox". I'm hoping for something that will not only clear the air, but demonstrate that it is not a fiction.
- LH

rfgdxm1

1:11 pm on Jul 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I agree Larryhat. Problem in this specific case is the OP is complaining that after 2 weeks his new site isn't ranking for his keywords. Back in the heyday of the Google Dance era, before the current continuous update era we are now in, a site not doing well after just 2 weeks would have been normal. Thus, if there is "sandboxing", I don't know if that applies to his site, or his site is just too new to be doing well in Google?

creative craig

1:31 pm on Jul 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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...I included a link on our (Completely unrelated) site...

Do not worry about sandboxing and hunt for links. If all you have is one link from an unrelated site no wonder you are not showing up in the serps.

Hunt for links that are related to the sites own topic and this should help and then be patient, it can take a lot longer than two weeks for a brand new site to show up in the results of any search engine - let alone Google.

Craig

mfishy

3:55 pm on Jul 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just wondering what other people's experience is of new sites and timescales for it being alowed out of the sandbox?

75-90 days. You will pop up out of nowhere. No worries.

nuevojefe

5:22 am on Jul 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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As mfishy says, you'll pop out of nowhere. It's nice to see that 2500% increase in traffic or whatever your case may be. Relief.

It's kind of hard to forecast the sandbox(lag time) (which isn't a penalty as this thread's title suggests) because I would assume that the time-line is decided by the current algo at the time the site is indexed. Considering that, by the time that site digs its way out that algo is 75-90 days stale. I imagine, as with nearly all the algo factors i'm sure, google will tune that a bit ocassionaly in order to acheive optimal results.

zyshen

7:27 am on Jul 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It took G 1 week to claw all the pages (30+) on my new site; 3 weeks to have homepage indexed; and exactly 1 month for all pages to be indexed (site:www.domain.com shows all pages)

This site has a PR5 and PR4 link from my other site and I did not submit it to Google. Hopefully this gives you some kind of idea about the time line.

percentages

7:44 am on Jul 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I agree with the previous 3 posts.

It all depends upon the number and quality of the backlinks.

Getting a home page, or a dozen+ pages indexed, can happen in 3 days. For a big site (30,000+ pages) it can also be 90 days to get half of it indexed.

Patience is golden, and great links are platinum, it has always been that way with Google, nothing to worry about. Sit back and relax.....or even better, start another site while you wait.

You can never have too many irons in the fire :)

nuevojefe

8:41 am on Jul 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Inclusion and ranking near where you'd expect from analyzing competition/your site are two different things.

Getting a few (hundred) pages crawled and indexed quickly isn't too tough with a decent assortment of PR4-6 links, but ranking is going to take time. Even if your optimization, inbounds and other factors seem to indicate that you should be doing better than someothersite don't expect to for 2-3 months.

As percentages says, try building a solid site and then begin building a new one, repeat. Once the site is ranking (i.e. there's actually some visitors) go back to it and begin updating, etc.

creative craig

8:44 am on Jul 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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start another site while you wait

I would be more inclined to add more content to the site you have already, add more content every day if you can, wait till it is ranking well and starting to draw the traffic that you are happy with and then maybe think about building another site.

percentages

10:34 am on Jul 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>I would be more inclined to add more content to the site you have already

If Yahoo didn't exist so would I. But, right now the Yahoo collective is the biggest player according to my stats, and at worst neck and neck with Google, and it likes sites better than pages/content.

It is a six of one and half a dozen of the other call, but sites still have the edge IMHO;) Think about how bots work and the law of averages :)

creative craig

2:24 pm on Jul 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If Yahoo didn't exist so would I. But, right now the Yahoo collective is the biggest player according to my stats, and at worst neck and neck with Google, and it likes sites better than pages/content.

The other way round for me, my time is better spent adding pages and new features to the sites that I already have running.

I would rather have a quality site with lots of unique content, then many sites with "middle of the road" content, my opinion ;)