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Double keywords density in TITLE?

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4:24 pm on Jun 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi ALL!
Subj :)
For examle my keyword is BLUE WIDGET
So,i want use in <TITLE>

BLUE WIDGET - THIS AS ONLINE SERVICE. THE BEST BLUE WIDGET HERE!

Can I get penalty for double density in title?

[edited by: ciml at 5:55 pm (utc) on June 27, 2004]
[edit reason] Widgetised. [/edit]

7:38 pm on Jun 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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no
7:43 pm on Jun 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I might write the title like this:

<title>BLUE WIDGET - THIS AS ONLINE SERVICE. THE BEST BLUE WIDGETS HERE!</title>

that way you can grab singular and plural.

7:55 pm on Jun 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'd write it as:

<title>BLUE WIDGET - THE BEST BLUE WIDGETS HERE!</title>

"THIS AS ONLINE SERVICE." is TOTALLY redundant for a website. From an SEO perspective, the idea is to make titles as compact and keyword stuffed as possible.

10:19 pm on Jun 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'd write it as:
<title>BLUE WIDGET - THE BEST BLUE WIDGETS,ONLINE BLUEWIDGETS, THE WORST BLUE WIDGETS, DARK BLUE WIDGET, LIGHT BLUE WIDGETS,SKY BLUE WIDGETS,WIDGET BLUE,BETTER BLUE WIDGET,BIG BLUE AND LITTLE BLUE WIDGETS,FAT BLUE WIDGETS,SKINNY BLUE WIDGET,BLUEWIDGETS,ON LINE BLUE WIDGETS,BLUE WIGDETS, ALL BLUE WIDGETS HERE!</title>
But then I am spammer.
11:15 pm on Jun 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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somebody's gotta do it
11:19 pm on Jun 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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cabbie, why not be kinder to yourself. Let's just say that you're exhuberant and enthusiastic about your offering. ;)

<title>BLUE WIDGET - THE BEST BLUE WIDGETS HERE!</title>

How about:

<title>Blue Widget - Buy Best Blue Widgets Online Here![/title>

11:36 pm on Jun 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The point being: most of you are of the opinion that there is no great danger in repeating a keyword twice in the title, and if there is, merely pluralizing one of them is enough to be the get out of jail free card? (just wanna make sure I understand, not arguing here).
12:41 am on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>...exhuberant and enthusiastic about your offering.

ThankYou Marcia.Thats exactly what I am.;)

12:47 am on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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yes
pluralising achieves this
2:47 am on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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have many people experimented with the use / effectiveness of related words in the title ...
e.g.

blue widgets, the best in wudgets

wudget being a strongly related word to widgets.

5:24 am on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Would posters be more often correct than not if WebmasterWorld simply used "hotel" as our generic word, rather than widget? ;)
7:31 am on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Actually, I'm a little more comfortable with only one identical word out of a two word phrase being repeated, just to be on the more conservative side.

<title>Blue Widget - Buy the Best Widgets Online Here!</title>

<title>Blue Widgets - Buy at the Best Widget Store Online![/title>

<title>Blue Widgets - Buy the Best Widgets Online Here![/title>

<title>Blue Widgets - Buy Discount Widgets Online![/title>

The word "the" is an extra word in between there, but it's a little more attractive and natural looking that way.

Also, if there are many types of widgets, depending on how competitive it can sometimes be that only the one word "widgets" can be in the homepage title, with interior pages focusing on the two word phrase, like blue widgets, green widgets, red widgets - with the widget word alone being repeated in those titles.

The title really should be for the searcher, to attract a click, and if the titles (and a couple of other elements) are worked right to get an indented listing, imho it's more apt to attract clicks and not what I'd call trickery if the homepage and interior page are both relevant. The searcher may be looking for green widgets, but if he's got the homepage right in front of him also he knows he can shop around for different kinds.

10:19 am on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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cabbie,
You made me spit coffee on my keyboard. VERY funny.
10:46 am on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well I have kept it as "Xyz.com - section name - Widget Name"

I wanted to change the title and was about to post a new thread then saw this one. Suggestions people. Should I drop my sites name XYZ.com and the section name from each page?

Perhaps I should make it "Widget Name - keyword1, keyword2 , keyword3"

i have noticed that all searches are for widget name only...obviously. So am i wasting the title by including section name and website name? Is my alternate solution good enough?

All suggestions are more than welcome and thnx in advance.

12:16 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My suggestion is to use the Search Term Suggestion Tool and see what variants of Widget are popular, I wouldn't use all CAPS, and I would limit the characters to 60.
12:24 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've got one of these widget plus widget followed a little further along by widget..

Doin just fine in "g" and "y" and "M$"....

Mixed upper and lower case is easier on the eyes ...I think the number of letters is more dependant on the clients browser than the SE ...

63 seemed to be the most I could get away with by being ..."exhuberant and enthusiastic about my offering."

12:39 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What if in my native tongue totally correct spellings were "widgets" and "witgets"? Can - or maybe even SHOULD - I use them like this:

Blue Widgets - Buy our superior witgets online!

12:50 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If witgits gets traffic and you can fill the orders, go for it.

Cabbie - dang it... now I have to change my shirt with a dribble of soda running down it.

12:52 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Blue Widgets - Buy our superior witgets online!

would be bad idea as you wasted a space either side of your "hyphen" ;)
1:03 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sorry, Leosghost, but I don't understand.

The examples in previous posts all had hyphens. What's wrong with them?

1:19 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The prevoius posts all had hyphens ..but I was making the comment as regards to what you would actually put in your title bar...
Eg; widget - wiget

is a waste of character space when put against

widget-wiget

the second is just as readable as the first BUT is 2 characters shorter ...

Remember Bretts rule #2 ( the "real" number one is "always take cash" ;)..or it should be ) ..for a page ..

"The title is your most valuable real estate area" ( or some such ) ...

If you can only put 60 to 63 "characters" in a title bar in IE ..then don't waste any "characters" with "space" ..which is considered by search engine spiders to be the same as a letter and counts towards your total of 60 to 63 ...

2:05 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Except 'widget-widget' used as a search in Google can easily return a different number of results to 'widget - widget' and 'widget widget' (both of which return the same number).

I'm not making any particular point here, other than stating that in *some circumstances* a hyphen is not the same as a space in Googlespeak.

2:23 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It could be considered a compound word. Another way is to use a colon to save a space

widget: free widgets for sale online

2:27 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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cabbie, you forgot ONLINE BLUE WIDGETS and ON LINE BLUEWIDGETS.
2:43 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thank you caveman, I'm taking notes.
3:34 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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free widgets for sale

Marcia ..is this an incredibly overenthusiastically idea for a title ..

Or an everyday oxymoron ..; )

You may be following a little too closely here ; )

3:44 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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widget: free widgets for sale online

How about

widget: 3 widgets for sale online

4:17 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So which one is more eye-catching: widget - wiget or
widget-wiget?
4:23 pm on Jun 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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thats not the question sit2510...it depends on if you need all the 60 odd characters to give yourself a good title line ..if so IMHO "squash" it like ..widget-wiget

if you have some space to spare then ..widget - wiget ..

thats for humans ...

then again you get more character space in non ie type browsers ..

the thing would be that ..once they ( surfer ) is looking at your page title in their browser then you've already won the game ..so I'd go for spider friendly ..widget-wiget

S'my 2 widgets worth ;)

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