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12:39 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing a PR/backlinks update on some of my sites
3:54 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Some weblogs appear to have become PR0

No backlinks are showing for several of the most important weblogs in a couple of technical areas.

These are places which thousands of people link to because they don't care what Google thinks.

3:57 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>The return of links.tld is welcome. Not a bad thing to try perhaps, but not a sensible implementation, Google.

I wonder if all those webmasters who renamed their links pages to i-really-want-to-fly-to-mars.html or similar are going to rename them. Too late, in my view. Google now knows who changed their links.html names and by their actions knows which links pages are organic and and which are not.

4:02 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This (at this point) can't be compared to Florida. From where I sit there are no changes in the serps. I have yet to even see anything that would make this an update, other than backlinks and the speedometer. I am not saying there aren't sites suffering, obviously there are. But those appear to either be suffering from a glitch or penalty of some sort independent of any update (I can't really say cuz I'm not seeing them).
But who knows what the rest of the night will bring.;)
4:05 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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216.239.51.99 is indeed interesting. Rankings up. Huge change in what backlinks are showing.

Recently someone posted that G might start showing random backlinks rather than just those above PR4. Any chance that might be what we are looking at. (Using Opera and can't see PR)

WBF

4:06 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Page rank of 4 to 5...yippie...LOL.
These days always make the dullest days happy...LOL.

I am noticing that all other pages on my website are PG 0 however (when they all use to be Page rank 2 to 3...)...wonder what will happen by tommorow....google probaly just isen't done yet :) LOL.

4:27 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)



Yahoo is back to a PR 10 it appears. I came here to report the changes, but someone beat me to it. Maybe this will boost the rankings of Yahoo directory. Anyhow, it has been reported. Happy backlinking to all!
4:44 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>>>You are seeing the result of Google's latest "tweak" in their algorithm and filters. For some sites this will be as big a shock as "florida"! <<<<<

I wonder what you are seeing. I am not noticing any change in the SERPs, just a PR update (a real one this time, unlike the last two times when people here reported seeing some PR changes, while others didn't).

5:03 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Still seeing the Sandbox Effect for sites more than 3 months old. I was hoping for a reprieve. I have sites with PageRank 5 and 6 that are still not ranking in the expected manner. Looks like another month of explaining to my clients why the huge site I built could be another month or two before they see an ROI, :(

Or maybe Google might suggest I use Google Adwords to help my client get around the Sandbox Effect?

5:28 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My PR 5 site went to PR 6.

Something to note though:

The site has been live since mid-February 2004, and has had PR since then but ONLY for the index page. The 100 other pages did not have PR throughout all of the updates, but this one has given PR to all sub pages.

Cheers,

Sam.

5:34 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sweet PR2 to PR6 in 2 months
6:24 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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IMHO There is a penalty for the sites with four hypens in their domain name.

Strange I saw few sites with four hypens unpenalized , even with seven hypens unpenalized.

Donot know whats happening , but for sure update was good for PR and backlinks.

Aji

7:13 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Curious thing happend with one of my sites.
The site is ranking #2 for a competitive search term for years and had about 2000 backlinks.
Now when searching link:www.dom.com Google shows ZERO backlinks. However rankings are still up, can't control PR because I cannot install the toolbar here at my company office.

greg

7:47 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have 4 banned sites ( I think for cross linking) with the backlinks showing but they are still pr1..maybe will shift to the old pr when it has all settled down.

Anyone else seeing banned sites back?

7:56 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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yep.
A site which got PR0 2 months ago and was showing 1 backlink during this period of time is now showing the normal amount of links but still no rank.
Can't control the PR becuase I haven't installed the toolbar on this computer. If someone could be so kind and take a look? It is the site in my profile.

thanks!
greg

8:11 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>> Can't control the PR becuase I haven't installed the toolbar on this computer. If someone could be so kind and take a look? It is the site in my profile.

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Now yours is PR3 with 801 backlinks.

Are your site banned before?

8:13 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Interesting that people are seeing PR back but no rank back yet.

I always assumed that the PR/Backlink rank effect was already factored in by the time it became visible...(Ie the PR we are now seeing has been used as part of the ranking criteria for a few weeks.)

Perhaps in light of PR returns but no rank return it is to be factored into the algo in the future.

Unless (probably likley) displayed pr/backlinks mean very little nowadays....

8:16 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Some highlights of this update as I have seen -

1. More sites are passing PR, since links.htm types are back along with some PR blocked sites.

2. General trend is an increase in PR.

3. Backlinks added till roughly a month ago are updated.

4. SERPs as always haven't seen any drastic changes, since backlinks are updated continuously and after the update they only show-up.

5. The theme based linking (read localrank or hilltop) are still valid.

Mostly rules that applied before this update still hold good. There aren't any need to relook into the methods after this update, albeit links.htm being shown up as backlinks. They are still as worthless as before with respect to SERPs.

Best Wishes

Mc

8:17 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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sit2510:

thank you very much for that information.
The site had PR6 before it got PR0ed 2 months ago, so PR3 (with 800 backlinks) sounds still a bit too less to me.

At some time when searching for
keyword site:www.rei...info
zero results came up. Now 6 results come up which is still much too less. The main page still does not show when doing this search.
But maybe this is a good sign.

greg

8:36 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Now I have one PR7 (update from PR6) site, 4 PR6 sites (two from PR5) and two new sites which have PR 5 (from PR0) and 3 (from PR0). The site which changed its domain using 301 redirection has now a new PR 5 (from PR0, however, the old domain is PR6).

But.... if I search 'blablabla", the #1 site is PR0. So my next work is building 10 PR0 sites.

9:14 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"The return of links.tld is welcome. Not a bad thing to try perhaps, but not a sensible implementation, Google"


Well spotted Steveb - Thanks for that. I wonder if this is a permanent move?

9:16 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"IMHO There is a penalty for the sites with four hypens in their domain name"

Hmm .. One of my (awful) 4-hypen sites has increased PR along with most of my (good) sites .. and so far still ranks strong for it's usual topics/phrases.

At any rate .. nice to see the good 'ol green bar moving rightward again .. hope it lasts longer than the last PR update .. as I recall it reshuffled downward after a few days of green happiness.

9:44 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I do not think there is a penalty for hyphenated dominion. I checked several dominions...
10:04 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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At the last update my site went form PR5 to PR6. Now it had gone back to PR5 :o(
10:21 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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PR and Backlinks Updateed but I do not see any changes in rangings so far.
10:23 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hurray!

So do we have an idea now as to when the next update will be guys?

Hey - I'm planning ahead!

Steve

10:31 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I went up to a 4 for a little while - then back to a 3

:(

10:43 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Was wandering where the sudden jump in traffic came from (50% increase over last week). Maybe - yes - the PR4 to PR3 drop at the last update (3 weeks back?) has been reversed. Been collecting a few organic links in that time though.
12:03 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My new site (opened 5/23) is now PR4

phpBB.com went from PR10 down to PR9, BUT they do appear to passing along PR again.

My gaming site went from PR5 to PR6.

-Nuttzy :cool:

12:21 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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No change in PR but backlinks jumped from 72 to 293. This is where this backlink number used to be a month or two back.
12:28 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I went from a PR4 to 5, but no changes in my serps. I lost 30% of my traffic about a week ago. Has anyone seen a change in their SERPs since last night?

wellzy

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