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basically, is there any certain criteria that when met seems to draw a penalty? eg do a site and get hundereds of backlinks within a month?
this debate seems to have dropped off of late?
I won't pretend to understand what Google is up to. Its just another "new" fact of life we must learn to accept and move on.
Create your pages or make changes and don't lose sleep over how long it takes to show up in the SERPS. Write for your intended audience and be done with it.
With that said, I am waiting on 6 sites to get out of that bloody sandbox.
I am also finding it very hard to explain to clients why their sites are not being found in Google.
What JO said! I created large number of static pages (> 20,000) and now donít have any traffic from G.
Will see how long will it last?
I donít understand why would internal links trigger filter and block G traffic. Fortunately, Y and MSN still work hard and pulling out the situation :)
Hopefully there is a mountain of new spam sites caught in the sand box as well. That might make it all worth the wait.
Can anyone finally tell me what the tell tale signs of being caught in the sandbox are?
Is it a case of being in the index, but not returning for *any* search results whatsoever?
when you have an established site new pages rank fast. now, i wonder which important *news* contain of 20,000 pages and cannot wait a few months for a good ranking.It would seem that this type of site would be exactly why the sandbox was created, if it exists.
this debate seems to have dropped off of late?Not really. It just has a different name here [webmasterworld.com].
I put up several new sites on the 7th Feb this year and they are still all languishing. If there is a delay in ranking its definitely not limited to 90 days.
I had a site in the index but missing from the serps for 14 months. Now it is doing very well.
If you have a site like that, just walk away, add some more content about once a month and come back in a year or two.
Has there been any comment by GoogleGuy on the sandbox effect?
I don't believe so. . . which probably means that it exists in one form or another and therefore is part of the algorithm, so he cannot comment on it. Just a guess, FWIW.
My site (all manual, original content) was sandboxed/filtered/whatever for ~4 months. It was doing very well in the index for a month or so after launch (until late January) and then completely disappeared for its main keywords until about a month ago. It is in the travel industry and my main keywords are CITY name and CITY REAL ESTATE.
Since launching the site, I had been adding original content on a daily or weekly basis and getting inbound links at the rate of around 3 per week, concentrating on PR4+ on-topic non-reciprocals. I tried LSI to no apparent affect. I gave up and did nothing for 2 months.
Then after reading about Hilltop I started to buy links from my competitors, starting in real estate.
Boom! My site suddenly appeared for CITY REAL ESTATE around #100. Bought more links from competitors. Page 3. Bought a link from the #1 site, rose to #3. Just bought one from the #2 site and am waiting the outcome. Did the same thing with just CITY name. Suddenly appeared at #125. More direct competitor links. . . #24. A few more, and now I am finally sitting back on Page 1 for CITY name after 5 long months.
Note: I had been getting on-topic links before, but even though they had decent page rank, the other sites' pages were not ranking for my terms. I had a PR6 and around 30 inbound links not counting my own pages. It seemed to make all the difference getting links from sites ranking for my terms and then getting more links from sites ranking above me. And it happened quickly after getting each such link. A few were reciprocal links, fyi, but the majority I had to pay for. I hadn't changed anything else on my site for 2 or 3 months. It looks like you can just buy your way to the top, and the formula looks pretty straightforward.
Note 2: My site was (and still is) in the top 5 results in Yahoo for just about every phrase I target. It's now on page 1 in Google for just about every phrase except CITY HOTELS, for which I plan to start buying my way to the top this afternoon.
I hope this helps some people stuck in the "sandbox". I still believe that this is a Hilltop-type filter that keeps sites out until they get links from authority sites for their keywords, but that's just my $.02 . Well, I guess it's also based on first-hand experience ;¨)
thats why I'm going to link all sites I do from now on together from seperate IP's. All be it within the same IP range it will hopefully get past this stinking filter ;-)
just wanted to know what people were experiencing.
all this "sandbox" does is delay the inevitable! IMHO
I think the key is in gradual growth vs. sudden increase in number of links. We have added a page per product, and it was meant to be marketing strategy to focus on one product per page. The problem is that we added 20,000 at once.
It is clean HTML with three links on each page: view large image - buy product - return to home.
How do I know that site is sandboxed? We didnít get a single reference from G couple days after that change was made. Not even to other areas of the site. A site had many references from G.
Mind you, I can see that G-bot is visiting daily :)