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Got them weary Google Blues...

Page One on every engine but Google

5:06 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've done a little SEO on several pages on my site, and am on Page 1 for many kw's on Yahoo, MSN, and AltaVista - for some, even in position 1.

Yet, on Google, my site is buried way too low for me to find it.

(Note: I am not banned on Google, as for some obscure kw's I come up well).

What could be the cause? More importantly, what can I do to fix it?

Note: My PageRank is dismal. Is that the cause? How many people do I need to link to my site to get decent PR?

5:13 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google loves incoming links. It's not a bad place to start.
5:26 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Whoa! Just realized the problem, don't know how to fix it!

Google, for some reason, is ignoring all of my internal links. Doing a Google link:http://www.mysite.com/url confirms this. The few links on the homepage show up, but none of the other internal links!

That means, even for the (obscure) kw's where Google lists me as #1, the links back to other pages don't show up!

What could be causing this? The links are well formed plain 'ol HTML. I checked with both links in the text, footers, sidebars, etc - nothing! (except for the few links of the homepage).

...most obliged to anyone who can solve this puzzle

5:31 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I don't think pages with low PR show up in link:

Also, even if they did, I don't think they count for much in any of the search engines. As the director of search engines at Yahoo said .. "you can't vote for yourself".

5:33 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Saying the internals have no effect on your site is a ludicuous idea.

Maybe Google is just displaying them different

6:48 am on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Administrator robert_charlton is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

Google, for some reason, is ignoring all of my internal links.

franklin - Google doesn't show all backlinks. It only shows backlinks that are PageRank 3 or 4 or higher... I forget which it is these days. ;)

If your internal links aren't showing (assuming that they are href html links), it's a pretty good sign that your site, or at least the pages removed from your index page, is suffering from low PageRank. It doesn't mean that Google is ignoring the links, but it may mean that the site doesn't have sufficient inbound linking to rank competitively.

If you're running IE in Windows (which you may not be because of security concerns), use the Google toolbar to get an approximation of your PageRank, and the PageRank of competing pages. It might be worth having IE and the toolbar just for checking PageRank on known safe sites. I run it with Active-X disabled, and so far so good.

I should mention that last night I was checking out the backlinks of a site and Google showed zero backlinks. The site was a PR6, and the same backlink search in Yahoo showed 200 inbounds. I wrote it off to a temporary Google glitch, but if it had been my site, I probably would have looked further.

It sounds, though, like you need some good inbound links... ie, links from on topic, decent PageRank pages with relevant anchor text. Make sure you vary the inbound anchor text enought that it appears to be natural and not manipulative.

The number of links you need depends on the PR of the pages linking to you and the number of outbound links they each have... as well as what the PR of the competing pages is. Anchor text distribution works in tandem with PR. I'd try to get both.

4:25 am on May 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So nice to hear from you, Bob.

I took your advice and did a little research - and it's made my situation even more confounding. My site is PR4, and several of the internal pages are also PR4 - yet they don't show up on Google's link:mysite . Likewise, the dmoz page (PR 6) seems to be ignored by Google.

Likewise, Google's page one is showing plenty of links with PR4, yet my page is no where to be found. Yet, it's page one on msn/yahoo/alltheweb/alta, and for some terms position 1.

I'm really confused. It is simply that I don't have enough incoming links? Should I abandon my attempts to figure things out and just go and build some links?

I'll add that even though I have PR4, the incoming links are kind of weak...

4:57 am on May 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Administrator buckworks is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

MichahB said it best: "When in doubt, get more backlinks."

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