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Site with homepage PR 6, all other pages indexed but PR 0

         

yannickl

5:12 pm on May 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hello,

I have a site that has a PR 6 home page, but all the pages under it have a PR 0 (not the grey bar, the completely white bar). The site has nearly 200,000 pages indexed, so the URLs can be crawled. Any idea where I should look at to solve this?

Thanks,

Yannick

DerekH

5:43 am on May 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I suppose the first question to ask is has the site been up for long.

When a site is newly introduced it can take some considerable time to shake down.
DerekH

AjiNIMC

5:54 am on May 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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the other question how are the internal pages linked, are they linked from homepage

Aji

webnewton

6:16 am on May 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Same here dude! But site is failrly new. Just 2 months old. So i suppose PR will get distrubuted in the next PR update. Also this site of mine has started showing on the SEPRS.

Imaster

7:41 am on May 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Same here dude! But site is failrly new. Just 2 months old. So i suppose PR will get distrubuted in the next PR update. Also this site of mine has started showing on the SEPRS.

Webnewton, how many pages does your site has and has it bee fully crawled in these 2 months. I have a fairly new site (about 40 days old) with more than 500k pages of unique content, but Google has not crawled more than 1% of the site. The site has around 100 quality inbound links. I am banging my head against the wall and am completely baffled as to why Gbot doesn't deep crawl the site. First I though that there may be some sort of penalty on the domain (which I bought from a third party) but since i crawled several pages, my doubt ceased.

I have heard from many webmasters that Googlebot is very slow in indexeing new sites these days, but I haven't heard many discussing that topic here, so I am not sure whats going on..

djgreg

7:43 am on May 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sounds like this:
[webmasterworld.com ]

Same thing with one of my sites. Was #1 for a very long time, and had PR6 sometimes 7. Now the homepage has PR5, all other pages have PR0 and they are NOT indexed. The complete domain has been removed from the index.
I don't understand that!

greg

yannickl

2:24 pm on May 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Derek and Aji,

it is a very old site (one of the very first serious e-commerce sites), and even the pages directly linked from the homepage have a PR 0.

It may be related to this: we have hundreds of "co-brands" for this site, and the urls for the co-branded sites are the exact same as those of the main site, except there is a cobrand code inserted right after the host name, i.e.:

URL for the home page of the site:
www.mysite.com
URL for a top-level category:
www.mysite.com/category1

URL for a cobranded site
www.mysite.com/cobrand
URL for the same top-level category in the co-branded site:
www.mysite.com/cobrand/category1

The pages for all the co-branded sites look 99% the same. They're all indexed. They're all pagerank 0 :(

Thanks a lot for the comments...

Yannick

hutcheson

3:21 pm on May 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Swamped by the rising tide of improving Google duplicate-page detection?

yannickl

4:43 pm on May 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Would it be a good idea to cloak the site? Which ever co-branded URL is requested by Googlebot, just return the main URL?

webnewton

10:54 am on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yannick and IMaster,

I hope both of you have site maps on your site. Try doing some link building for your site map and some other important pages. This will help.

mfishy

2:36 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing this to acrosss a pretty wide range of 2-3 motnh old sites. Home page PR6 and all the interiors PR0. My take is that it means nothing at all as the pages are indexed and ranking. Give it a bit more time.

BTW, the original post said he has all pages in the index so obviously it is not a link structure problem.

jk3210

2:52 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hutcheson probably hit the nail right on the head, but I've also seen this same situation (PR0 internal pages) on numerous sites that appeared to be selling PR through their advertising. "Review" type sites, etc.

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Although, I just checked one of them and it appears that it's back in the saddle, with internal pages showing (and transferring?) PR.

Imaster

8:08 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I hope both of you have site maps on your site. Try doing some link building for your site map and some other important pages. This will help.

Thanks webnewton for the suggestion. Sitemap is in place and around a 100 quality links from other sites also exists. Since I also manage many more sites, both small and pretty huge ones too, I am aware about the importance of a sitemap and inbound links :) I have noticed freshtags and deep crawl on all my other sites except this new one (around one month old). Googlebot does visit the site but is not doing any deepcrawl as I can understand from the logs.

My main question is: Are there more webmasters who have new sites, are well linked, and still not being hard hit by the googlebot?

cabbie

8:17 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>I am seeing this to acrosss a pretty wide range of 2-3 motnh old sites

Me too.

photonstudios

8:25 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have a new site, about 2 months old. The index page has a PR 5, and some second level pages are PR 4. 400 out of about 4,700 pages are spidered so far..

webnewton

5:44 am on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have noticed freshtags and deep crawl on all my other sites except this new one (around one month old).

I think you've answered your question youreself. Just be patient, your site will take some time before google start showing the cache for each and every page out there. Bot has read the whole of your site but will take some time to reflect the registered pages.

Why i suggested you to do link building for some specific page(other than home page) and the site map because this way Google will have to reflect them owing to the importance coming through linking pages.This is only required if you want to hasten up the process.

[edited by: webnewton at 8:08 am (utc) on May 20, 2004]

BeeDeeDubbleU

6:02 am on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This is definitely a new site issue and I have witnessed the same behavour with a couple of sites I created during the last three months.

I also saw the same thing on my 30 month old main site when it was dropped from the rankings then subsequently reincluded. During the reinclusion process I believe that it behaved exactly as a new site would have done.

Googlebot looked only at the robots.txt and default page for two or three weeks then started to dig deeper. A week or two later my original PR5 came back on home page only. About a month further down the line this spread to the internal pages and within a further two or three weeks my site was back at the top of the rankings.

This whole process took more than two months.