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Have your new sites unsandboxed?

Many people finding they got out of the mysterious "new-sites-filter".



7:51 am on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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One of my sites went online this March, G quickly indexed the whole site (200+ pages), and 60% of the targeted keywords have had good places since then. However, the homepage keyword and other keywords were nowhere to be found. I believe they might have fallen into the so-called G sandbox.

This week I find those sandboxed keywords appear in the serps and most of them have very nice positions. I have noticed many webmasters have found their sandboxed keywords come back or appear in the serps. I'm just wondering if your sites have the same situation as mine, or still in the sandbox.

Your input is appreciated, thanks.


11:47 am on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Same situation here except that my site was sandboxed for more than 4 months. Ranking is getting better each day starting last weekend but googlebot still did only crawl about 5% of the site.

If your site starts to show up after only 2 months that could mean that it is not a sandbox-effect after all but just a change in algos that is happening.


12:46 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have a site that was launched after/during PubCon/SES and it's still almost nowhere, though it has perfect links, and everything's looking pretty good. Maybe there's a filter that consists of timing and something else.


3:09 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Try a search with "keywords1 keywords2 -fsafsf -adgfd -dsagdg -fsdfdfd -fsfaf -fsaf -gfjhd -dgsdgg"
You have to reach the 10 words limit with negative after your keywords. For all the new site for me it is working and it is bypassing the sandbox filter.


3:30 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Allergic, thanks for that, it works for my new site as well.

I do agree that the sandbox for some new sites is starting to be removed. Certain terms are starting to show up for me for a 2.5 month old site.


5:46 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We have had a separate discussion going on here [webmasterworld.com ]

I have three sites under the 'sandbox' effect. One just managed to get out of it for most of the key phrases. The other two despite decent links and un-competitive phrases, languish somewhere near result 100.

By the way the -asdfgh search does not prove the sandbox effect. It may not only be turning off the sandbox filter, but could also be turning off a host of other filters. I have also noticed it removing most directories from SERPs. So that by itself does not prove anything.

Howvere the site of mine which emerged after the sandbox effect received one deep crawl before escaping from it.


5:53 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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well whatever it bloody shows i like it.....OMG why o why does google do this....

a good page of mine of on page 2 but page 5 in the current state of play ;-(


6:50 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We've noticed this with about 10 sites we've launched in the last couple of months, all for completely unrelated businesses. The sites do not even rank well for their own company name, even when it's an obscure string of perhaps common words.

eg, a company called "Violet Magnum Widgets".

You would expect a website with the domain name violetmagnumwidgets which is registered to a company called Violet Magnum Widgets with the name on every page and a few good links to at least rank somewhere for their company name.

It's rediculous, you search for the company name and a completely unrelated site that's about peanuts will come up simply because it has those three words scattered throughout the content (& perhaps 500 links).

Let's say we do a website for a small business called "Joe Bloggs Plumbing, City, State". With Google's current settings, we would need a rediculous number of links for this to even rank for their business name and city/state. A small business like this only get's a website so they've at least got an internet presence and so their customers can find them. I can't justify the need for 500 links for a small business like this.

Imagine if you searched for Google and google.com ranked at the lower end of the scale. At the end of the day, a search engine isn't doing a good job if the company you are searching for can't be found.

I believe website's that have been on the internet for several years should carry a little more weight than those that have just sprung up but surely a new website shouldn't carry such a hefty penalty.

For example, we just did a website for a small company that was actually established in 1958. Just because they haven't had a website for 5 years doesn't mean they aren't a genuine and reputable business that should at least appear when searching for them. As a matter of interest, this particular company is #1 on every search engine but barely rank top ten for their obscure business name.

Looking forward to Google fixing this in the next major algo tweak.


6:54 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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yes but going on recent performance, google will give with one hand and take with another when it next does a major algo change!



8:26 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Blinking heck!

I thought it was just my poor SEO that put me on page 9 for a 2.5M page search term

With the sandbox filter removed I'm half way up page 2.

Nice :-)

Thanks for that info


9:46 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yes I noticed this in couple of our sites, Some of our sites came to their respective positions from nowhere, Actually they deserve the places they are right now, But may be due to the new site filter many of the deserved phrases never ranked,

Now I am very happy google has lifted this sort of weird filter, All these sites I am talking about are New sites launched before 3 to 4 months,


10:55 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Two sites that I helped launch in February both came out of the sandbox this past week-end. Both had developed good links and page rank in March and April but only ranked on obscure phrases from the site. Now they have decent ranking on relevant keywords.


11:41 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If I put in "keywords1 keywords2 -fsafsf -adgfd -dsagdg -fsdfdfd -fsfaf -fsaf -gfjhd -dgsdgg" then every site I've noticed that Google has buried recently comes back at #1. That's both newish sandboxed sites and much older buried travel-related sites. (I don't necessarily think that they should all be at #1!)

The #1 spots correspond with these sites' rankings on other SEs. So what's this actually doing? How/why's it work....?


2:14 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have a site about 4 months old, got a huge jump in traffic on Sunday that continues today. Same number of pages indexed in Google as far as I can tell.


2:28 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Launched a new ecom site using my custom store solution and added a link to it on April 30th.

Customer received first order on May 9th.

Site is partially indexed in google and froogle.
Traffic is from specific product terms.

Upfront I told the client it would take 60 to 90 days to get listed. The client is more than happy :)

I just hope the site stays out of the sandbox.

One weird note: We have been calling our development area the sandbox since we started developing the product. Must be a common term for programmers.

M i n n a p p l e

[edited by: minnapple at 2:36 am (utc) on May 13, 2004]


2:35 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I launched a site a month ago and built link popularity for a fairly competitive "blue widget" keyword in hope to get in top 10. If I just type that keyword - blue widget at google my site shows up #237 and when I use technique suggested "blue widget -fsafsf -adgfd -dsagdg -fsdfdfd -fsfaf -fsaf -gfjhd -dgsdgg" it's #7! Is there any hope? :)


3:22 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have the same experience with the sandboxed keywords that I mentioned in the #1 post. Now they're doing well. Seems yours will be fine if you have the luck. Who knows if G will change his mind or not.


3:39 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have the same results with a great site climbing out of the box this weekend to take top 10 rankings on numerous keyword phrases, including #10 out of 8MM plus for our main/competitive keyword. Site launched in January, good PR, content, and backlinks built up while in the waiting mode.

Seems to hav paid off once out of the sandbox lock down.


3:56 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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As of right now, is your out of box results still showing?

We've seen some sites hop back in and bury themselves.


10:57 am on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Even our sites are back from the so called sandboxed effect.


12:24 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I gotta say this is some weird s**t.

Can anyone explain why this "KEYWORD1 KEYWORD2 -asdf -afgfd -asfgd -asfsgs (and so on up to the 10 word limit)" works? I mean, what's the point - what does it show? It seems that people are thinking like - if your page, that has disappeared off radar for several months, ranks well if you do this strange search, then it will soon be back in the real world?

Sure as hell hope so. We have a site just like that, too.

Don't suppose GG cares to fathom a guess?


12:42 pm on May 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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this article [seroundtable.com] gives a supposition why sandbox was invented - however it's just a supposition and in my opinion quite a lame one.

What bothers me is finding out what other factors keep your links in the sandbox (if any).

It is also obvious that the amount of time your new links stay in the sandbox is different for different websites. Does it depend on PR of pages linking to (or actual mathematical PR transfered to you by this link), your sites's PR, relative "reputablity" of your site in Google's eyes (or is this issue long overdue in light of new algo tweaks?)

Also if it was designed to discourage big affiliate spammers from buying PR and anchor text for their cr*ppy sites - it just didn't work because all big affiliate spammers are already here at this forum:)


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