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Hard to believe Yahoo is beginning to outperform Google.
What has been your experience?
what do I have to do if my web keyword1-keyword2.com appers nš 1 in the search keyword1 keyword2 -fsdsds -cxcx -.... but does not appear in the keyword1 keyword 2 search?
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Yes, It is around 1 to 3 weeks penalty for what I saw.
Google has sandboxed and ranked me poorly while my site ranks very highly for certain terms that bring in a great deal of traffic. I'm getting about 5x the traffic from yahoo as I do from google these days.
Indexed:
Google - 2days after 1st link
Gigablast - 2 weeks
Yahoo-powered SEs - not yet
Ask Jeeves - not yet
BTW, msnbot came just 2 days past googlebot, but of course MSN displays Yahoo-powered serps...
R
This seems to be the point that confuses all these threads. Google is wonderful at indexing pages - quicker than ever. We are talking about ranking or actual traffic and Y is delivering to new sites where Google is failing.
ranking is dependent on how well a page is able to position itself in the serps. maybe you can compare how EASY it is to rank (or seo) a page into either the Y or G serps.
yes?
It is good that search engines have to compete, or we'd be in one big mess.
ranking is dependent on how well a page is able to position itself in the serps. maybe you can compare how EASY it is to rank (or seo) a page into either the Y or G serps.
offcourse its easy to rank in Y!.
I would say 1st optimize your site for Y! and then optimize the same one for google. Y! and Google uses a kinda similar algo to rank pages. But Google adds a few more additional (important)factors to there algo comparin to Y!. Y! still got to improve.
Now the point is not which one is easier. Everyone here are able to rank there sites both in Yahoo and Google but the time factor is the only element which we are discussing. Y! is considerably fast.
Have to wonder if Google is capable to crawling and indexing and ranking high fast what does it know to (intentionally) slow down its process. And since Google seems to be somewhat ahead in the learning curve compared to Yahoo because of it long experience in se business, should we expect Yahoo to behave the same a few months from now?
well, i got my new site in google without submission in 4 days with three back links... nowhere to be seen in yahoo though....
i got my new site in google without submission in 4 days with three back links... nowhere to be seen in yahoo though....
Strange one! What is your position in google SERP?
Again here - are you talking about indexing or ranking?
If you want to rank your site in Y! in just 4 days try Site Match :)
i think i might be lucky being in Australia, as there are far fewer sites competing for my keywords....
But it definately ranks ok for some searches...
My last site followed the same pattern, and came good after PR was applied... but that was before talk of sandboxing.... by the way, the new site only appeared in the serps today with fresh tags, so it hasnt been deep crawled - perhaps thats when the new site 'box of sand hehe' kicks in
we're talking about ranking high, like the first 2 pages of the serps! not the first 10,000!
your position in the serps is dependent on how well you satisfy the se's algo relative to all the other pages. it does not guarantee that you submit a page and its ranking will improve with age.
My cat does it's business in the sand box! Yahoo Rules!
we're talking about ranking high, like the first 2 pages of the serps! not the first 10,000!
> easy to rank in Y!
Yes rene, you are absolutely right! even I ment the same top 20's. Everyone wishes and even optimizes there site to rank atleast in the first 2 pages and not the first 10,000 ;)
your position in the serps is dependent on how well you satisfy the se's algo relative to all the other pages. it does not guarantee that you submit a page and its ranking will improve with age.
hmm...age of a site - very significant point to discuss. ire :-) lemme not go off-topic.
Google is crawling and indexing by far the fastest, but then sandboxing everything. I've got several new sites that are in the Google index and haven't had a single referral in the last two months, 'coz they're impossible to find. The other big problem there is that the sites which are getting out of the sandbox pick up really poorly targetted and often completely irrelvant searches as Google refuses to touch their main keywords and just picks random words which don't relate to the subject at all.
Yahoo is next fastest to index, but after the sites are in the index it takes at least 2/3 weeks for them to show up on anything except site name. Once they get going though they rank really well and get plenty of well-targetted traffic. Only place this falls down is on my main site which has been replaced in Yahoo for the last couple of months by a redirect from an advert - arggh.
Ask (like I said before) is my best friend at the moment and is adding sites almost as fast as Yahoo. As soon as sites are in they start to rank really well without any hanging about and get excellent traffic which is spot on relevant and converts well. Don't know what I'm doing to get on so well with Ask at the moment, but I hope it keeps up! (Again though, it's only my main site that can't make the first page of results - the one that does really well in Google...)
100% Agree with you regarding Ask
Ask is the real ***star*** for me at the moment.
:-)
But then Google has more of a problem with Spammers than Yahoo does so its not surprising.
Glyn.
One difference between Yahoo and Google at the moment in my mind is that google will try to index 100k pages of your type spam while Yahoo will not.
Why do I call it spam? Because I do not see any reason to have that many pages unless you are trying to spam the search engines. Maybe you can prove me wrong?
I have a feeling that if I have a 10 billion page site and I paid Yahoo to index all my pages under its site match program, it would drop everything and devote itself to indexing just my site.
amazon - 2,390,000
yahoo - 4,980,000
msn - 1,460,000
cnn - 421,000
ibm - 466,000
large site = spam? that's pea-brain logic.
