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Google - forces the use US English

you say optimization, I say optimisation - google.co.uk says optimization

         

gethan

9:11 am on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So try any search with a British vs. US spelling and even the regional sites bring back;

1) Results with the American spelling - the British spelling is nowhere (ok almost nowhere)
2) Did you mean "american spelling" - no I searched on the UK site!

Frankly - I find this quite offensive.

Anyone else see this across the versions of google - different words?

I know this did not use to be the case - anyone know when it switched?

gethan

7:17 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Bump... anyone else British here ;)

Spine

7:23 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We have a bit of both here in Canada.
Colour instead of color, but we use tires instead of tyres. Did that make any sense?

martinibuster

7:44 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That's an interesting observation. I'm in the states, so I can't verify what you're seeing.

I wonder what GG has to say about it?

BeeDeeDubbleU

7:53 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Slightly off topic but a little language lesson follows ...

Many of you will already know that the English language took two separate paths when the Pilgrim fathers landed in north America. The American writer, Bill Bryson, addresses this subject in his excellent book, "Made in America".

"Why did the Americans save such good old English words as skedaddle and chitterlings and chore, but not fortnight or heath? Why did they keep the irregular British pronunciations in words like colonel and hearth, but go down our own way in with lieutenant and schedule and clerk? Why in short is American English the way it is?"

My own theory is that this has nothing to do with America or the UK per se (latin). At the time of the colonisation (colonization) communication between the two nations was primitive so then as now, language continued to evolve but it did so separately, at least until the introduction of modern media and communications in the 20th century, since when it has begun to once again merge into a single language. It is not uncommon to see people from the UK using American spelling. It doesn't really matter, does it?

I mean we are quite happy to use words like cigarette and cul de sac, which are French.

keeper

8:01 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ahh, i remember the good ole days when you didn't have to compete with US Seo's for the term 'search engine optimisation' cuz they never thought to spell it that way.

It was always a great way to regionalise (regionalize) your SEO efforts.

BeeDeeDubbleU

8:12 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Good point and one that I also used to my benefit with the word computerize/computerise. There are many other examples/exzamples of this.

giggle

8:19 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My tuppence (two-penny) worth:

Why do Americans spell it LAZER when it stands for Light Accelerated (by the) Stimulation (of) Electronic Radiation. Do you just want to be different?

mykel79

8:21 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Let's not go overboard with this. I don't think there's a word like exzamples :)

BigDave

8:40 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I never heard of laser spelled (as opposed to spelt, which is a grain) lazer. There are several trademarks spelled lazer, but as far as I know, they have nothing to do with lasers.

For what it's worth, some words I spell the american way, and some I spell the Aussie way (I know a lot more Aussies than I do Brits).

I was never in favor if any sorts of stemming in Google, and I really wish they would get rid of it, or really discount it in a major way.

If I am searching on a specific spelling such as the singular, I do not want the plural having the same ranking. If you are going to stem, multiply the score of anything that is not an exact match by 0.5, so that I can see the *really* highly ranked pages that are not an exact match, but not those that are close in score, but have the wrong version of the word.

The same goes for "incorrect" spellings. Make a suggestion that I fix my spelling, but don't fix it for me.

makemetop

8:58 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)



>anyone know when it switched?

About 9 months ago - and yes, it is a pain in the butt!

If you are searching in the UK why do we keep getting listings with American spellings included and "did you mean..." as if we are thick? If you search in France in French, they don't show English sites after doing a translation from French to English (either American or Queen's).

BeeDeeDubbleU

9:09 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What about Scots English? Gonnae gie's a brek?

victor

9:13 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google is (I suspect) optimi*ed for international english.

(There's apparently more people who speak english as a second language than as a first).

And international english has a very strong leaning towards americani*ed spellings.

They are just as illogical and history-ridden as british spellings. But they are more widely spread.

It's a fact of life, use it to your advantage.

As the song says, I say 'lettuce', you say 'lett-too-chay'"

Patrick Taylor

10:16 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It is not uncommon to see people from the UK using American spelling. It doesn't really matter, does it?

I think it does. They're mixing languages: American English and British/Australian English. I'm happy to use <center> and I'm not offended by Google asking me if maybe I'm an illiterate American but I'm blowed if I'm going to optimize my sites.

whiterabbit

10:28 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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but I'm blowed if I'm going to optimize my sites

a perfect example of the differences ;)

Seriously, we should all be speaking the language of heaven:

[google.com...]

Tony

py9jmas

10:41 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My tuppence (two-penny) worth:

Why do Americans spell it LAZER when it stands for Light Accelerated (by the) Stimulation (of) Electronic Radiation. Do you just want to be different

LASER is acutally Light Amplification by Stimulated Emmission of Radiation.

In other news, I'm British so I use British spellings. I expect Google (and everything else) to recognise this.

Although I believe the OED prefers -ize to -ise these days. Soon they'll be having us put an 'e' on the end of potato...

Jon.

BeeDeeDubbleU

10:50 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm not offended by Google asking me if maybe I'm an illiterate American but I'm blowed if I'm going to optimize my sites.

Shouldn't that be optimiSe Patrick?

Boom! Boom!

Patrick Taylor

11:12 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ahhh... that. But yes, of course!

Silent_Bob

11:22 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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In fairness, if it has to be one or the other it should be the American spellings as the US is a hell of a lot bigger than the UK and so has far more internet users. I think I use z's instead of s's half the time anyway, as I'm sure a lot of Brits do.

People here in England dont even talk the same as each other anyway. For instance all the folks down south who feel it necessary to stick extras 'r's all over the place (e.g. grarss instead of gra-ss, parss instead of pa-ss, parth instead of pa-th etc..) Give me American language over that anyday!

gethan

11:26 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>> The same goes for "incorrect" spellings. Make a suggestion that I fix my spelling, but don't fix it for me.

My opinion entirely - but for a market of 60 million in the UK a regional dictionary shouldn't be out of the question - then they wouldn't have to suggest I fix my spelling - especially when they go to the trouble of translating the whole site to the language of heaven for Tom Jones above ;)

I get the same sort of feeling as when I use windows and get the scan disk message that suggests I "shutdown my computer properly" when the shoddy OS has just crashed for the 5th time in an hour, except I don't feel like hitting something ;)

I know I use 98 - I'm not going to upgrade when all I use is fireworks and IE.

AussieMike

11:30 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We speak english downunder as well, not American. I get offended at the constant "Did you mean to search using American spelling" at the top of some searches.

No, I didn't! I speak english!

gethan

11:30 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Aside: Linguistics: s's and z's are a silent and sounded version of the same mouth movement. We say z's instead of s's when the pre/proceeding letters make it difficult not to eg. baps - silent, babs - sounded - due to the p (silent) and b (sounded) pair. Learnt that studying Hungarian.

makemetop

11:39 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)



>it should be the American spellings as the US is a hell of a lot bigger than the UK

Actually, taking that argument, it should be the other way around. Worldwide, more people have English English as an official language than there are people in the US :)

Take India for example!

BeeDeeDubbleU

11:43 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Izn't it amasing that zomething az trivial az thiz can cauze zuch a Ztir!

ILuvSrchEngines

11:46 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)



>If you are searching in the UK why do we keep getting listings with American spellings included and "did you mean..." as if we are thick?

Because Google's management are 'thick'. Google is too busy blocking everyone's web sites over here in the US to be concerned about little things like language. Adwords is the only thing important to them now.

edit_g

11:51 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Anyone else see this across the versions of google - different words?

I believe Google takes the word searched for most often (optimization - ugh, it pains me to write it) and suggests it - simply because it is searched for most often. I think...

Patrick Taylor

12:01 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ugh, it pains me to write it.

Same here, but I think Google is right to be helpful and I don't take it personally. I sometimes misspell words (who doesn't?) or find my search might be better done another way. They would be even more right if they also suggested "optimise" for a search on "optimize".

michael heraghty

12:14 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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They would be even more right if they also suggested "optimise" for a search on "optimize".

That's *exactly* what they should do. In fact, it would be even more helpful if they asked, 'Did you mean "optimize" (US English)' and 'Did you mean "optimise" (British English)'.

Else don't make any spelling suggestions for these types of variants.

BeeDeeDubbleU

12:45 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There is a definite lack of consistency on this. For example they do not suggest "center" on a search for "centre". They do suggest "antagonize" for antagonise.

BTW while playing around with this I did a search for "fortnight" and at the top of the results was the Google calculator that shared with me the fact that 1 fortnight = 14 days.

I thought that this was a bit American so I did a search for "week" and I was also informed that 1 week = 7 days. Well thank you Google!

This is surely taking the new tools to the limit. But then again perhaps there are a few PC literate people out there who do not yet know that there are seven days in a week?

P.S. In the gospel according to Google 1 month = 30.4368499 days.

jetboy_70

1:05 pm on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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As py9jmas already hinted, this is a bad example. From memory, I'm pretty sure that the Oxford English Dictionary lists 'optimize', with 'optimise' as an alternate spelling. I'm 100% sure that both are listed as valid UK spellings. For the record, I still spell it with an 's' ...
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