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how a dead site just got PR6

11:39 pm on Apr 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hello All,

Here is the Strange Phenomenon I noticed and its story:

I am running a business website for the last 4 years (Adsense publisher) and started it from scratch. Through time I understood that "Content IS the King" but as well the importance of SEO so tried to satisfy both of them. I finally achieved a PR6 one year ago after much hard work, 15,000 unique pages of pure content and hundreds of quality backlinks (!). Now the site is top listed in G for my main keyword.

2 years ago I decided to register another domain with my keyword separated by a hyphen (eg. www.keyword-oneword.com) just because I thought that hyphen-separated domains were very useful that time (and still think it was!). I copied some articles from my main site and built a very simple template, resulting in an amateur website with about 40 pages.

I published also a banner ad to my website (in order to take advantage of the backlinks, Now I know how dangerous this may be!) and left the website in its destiny... About 4 months later I achieved also a DMOZ listing within the same category that my main site was already listed. The PR of my website was 5 (just because of the DMOZ listing!) and it was kept stable until recently (strange also?).

From that time I just added about 10 pages of content one time several months ago and "forgot" the site again.

Yesterday - after 2-3 months of not even visiting it - I thought I should take a quick look at the "forgotten" website and was really surprised to notice that its PR got 6 (!).

I thought it would be useful to share this really strange phenomenon with you as this means that a dead website has the same PR with a daily updated unique-content website with 15,000 pages and hundreds of backlinks...

I don't know what to think but maybe I should start building simple amateur websites, listing them in a PR5 DMOZ category and then just... forget them!

I hope you all have comments for the reasons this may have happened. Every comment is welcomed!

PS1. The dead website has currently 58 backlinks, 50 from the internal pages, 1 from DMOZ, 1 from G directory, 1 from Alexa, 4 from another website of mine and 1 from another unknown site. Keep in mind that all the backlinks are the same for the last 15 months!

PS2. I read another topic about the value of DMOZ listing... Maybe the bell is ringing here!

12:47 am on Apr 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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When you say "dead," do you mean the site doesn't work, or just that it's not being maintained? If it's the former, that's surprising that a dead site would accrue more backlinks! But if it's the latter, then I've definitely noticed that sites with educational content accrue backlinks automagically every year, as teachers search for online content and link to it from a zillion different elementary school pages. They may all be PR2 or something, but they add up. Build a good site and people will just keep linking and linking, year in and year out. Content -is- king, in that sense.
6:49 am on Apr 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It happened to me as well, what I do is put the free link exchange compenent on the site and leave it like this, in time people excvhange link with this site and the PR goes up, works like charm
7:11 am on Apr 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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<<When you say "dead," do you mean the site doesn't work, or just that it's not being maintained?>>

Sorry for the misunderstanding Flicker, it was my fault. I mean that it's not being maintained at all. It does exist but even without me visiting it!

<<sites with educational content accrue backlinks automagically every year>>

This is NOT this case. The site has the same backlinks as it had 15 months ago!

<<Build a good site and people will just keep linking and linking, year in and year out. Content -is- king, in that sense.>>

I fully agree Flicer but this is not the case again. This is exactly the opposite... In fact the content comes from some content duplication from my main site.

PS. Let me underline again that the site has the same content and the same backlinks except that its category listing in DMOZ has been upgraded from PR5 to PR6...

6:56 pm on Apr 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Aris 1970,
You've stumbled on a profound truth.
I came across this about a month ago.
Small tightly themed basic sites often sit at the top of the Serps and comfortably so too!
The more I studied this the more I was certain that in the current Google climate, the way ahead was with this type of site which I called 'Commando Sites' because of their ability to scale the Serps heights.

The sites are generally very quick to load - the owners don't have any experience of graphics so don't make the mistake of making 'heavy' pages. They mostly use very large HTML for headers and often use larger than average text for the main text.

Pages are short; links are within the page and go to other expert sites and pages. Everything is gone into with great thoroughness.
The sites deserve the term 'expert' rather than hobbyist.There is alot more, but this the outline of what I believe I have discovered.

The future is Back to Basics ,in my view.With sites and their sub-themes being friendly to discipline of Latent Semantic Indexing. Keen amateurs ( and experts ) somehow manage so often to meet this new requirement by simply writing fully and broadly and not worrying about SEOing titles and headers,etc.

This is, of course, just what Google is after.

Larger sites should perhaps consider a total reconstruction by going back basics around a collection of sub themes where individual pages are outwardly linked to pages from other sites strictly on-theme.

What do you think?

Of course, building a site with a Directory and getting inward links from on theme sites everywhere is absolutely part of the mix.

I've created a thread on THEMES; you may care to contribute.

3:44 am on Apr 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have a good history too...

My website was on-line in the first time in January, about day 20. After two months, it took PR2. In the last PR update, a few days ago, the home page got PR6 and a lot of other pages got PR5!

The website has one link from other website with PR6 and about 2 or 3 with PR3 more or less...

I have one question: the websites listed from the command "link:www.example.com" are the only that counts for Google to make Pagerank?! (plus internal links, obviously)

3:37 pm on Apr 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've got one just the same.
An old site of mine dead.. 404 returns for 5 years, now has PR 5 .
The name of the listing has nothing to do with the topic. The description of the listing has nothing to do with the topic. The company that hosts the URL has a redirect and thus the 404 errors are not "truthfully displayed."
The now PR5 that just showed up a week or so ago is all based on inbound links from 5 years ago.