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bad google results vs all others

Is my site blackballed?



5:22 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just found this place today. What a resource.

I designed a site for the promotion of a trade specific tool I manufacture, got a host, and had to get back to work. I did not submit the site anyplace.

Now with a reasonable search phrase, I get top, and often #1 listings with most of the search engines. Those same phrases on google get me way back on page 10 or something.

I don't want "sponsored listing" because my customers don't pay any attention to them. I get so much contradictory information about submitting to search engines on the internet that I hesitate to do it with google. I did submit to dmoz yesterday, figuring that was safe enough.

I tried some kind of "test my website" thing, and it appears I don't have a "static" host, and that one of his websites may be "blocklisted" and something about "cloaking".

I made the site with macromedia software, and I'm sure I pushed a "cloaking" button at some point to find out what it would do. I was pushing buttons like a pigeon in those psychology experiments, trying to learn the software.

I hesitate to list my web address because I can't decifer the meaning out of #10 in the posting guidelines.

I'm sure that many of you have sophisticated "website testing" gear, and actually know what the results mean.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.



5:34 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

...."sponsored listing" because my customers don't pay any attention to them.

How do you know this?

DMOZ can take a while to list your site. You should start looking for other sites (in your industry ie: trade magazines) to link to your site.

As far as the cloaking and "test my Web site" things, I'm not sure what your talking about. You may want to look into hiring a professional to handle your site.


12:02 am on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It may be that, for some sites at least, a webmaster has to choose between getting good rankings in the Google serps or getting good rankings in other search engines. This is a generalisation of course, but the experience of my site's rankings lately may not be so unusual.

Over the last couple of months my site has jumped ahead in Google, while falling off the planet in the other engines. The site is an information site with lots of text about its field of information on its home page and internal pages. I have been sucessfully, but incremently, optimising for Google over the last few months.

On balance I am happy with the situation because:
1. The is a widespread belief that more savvy surfers use Google; and my site is designed for the more serious researcher.
2. Google is very popular internationally, and my site is aimed at an international audience.
3. The number of visitors to my site is up.
4. The number of visitors who visit multiple pages of my site is up.

But, I am unhappy that all my eggs are virtually now in one basket.


12:53 am on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

Dreamweaver uses the term cloaking to refer to excluding files or folders when "getting or putting files," exchanging files with your server. It is completely unrelated to web site cloaking, a practice SEs discourage and punish when they discover it. You're NOT inadvertently cloaking, it takes a lot of work to cloak! :)

Online tools are only as good as the programmer that created them. I wouldn't put too much faith in the results from the "test my website thing" unless it's confirmed by several tools.

You seem to be focued on rankings instead of traffic which is where the money is. Look at an analysis of your log files and see which SEs are sending traffic and what search terms people used to find your site. Your host may provide an analysis or you could download your raw logs and analyze them yourself, locally. AWStats, Webalizer, and Analog are all open source (free) log analyzer programs.

Analyzing your logs is a much more direct way to measure your progress promoting your site than simply watching your rankings.

Bear in mind that 80-90% of free search traffic comes from either Google, ~40%, Yahoo ~30%, or MSN ~10% either directly or thru their various partners, so focus on them. Being ranked #1 on an SE that drives .1% of free traffic will be of little benefit to you.

And welcome to WebmasterWorld! :)


2:18 am on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thank you all for your help. I will call my host on Monday and see if he will send me an analysis of the log files. I didn't even know such a thing existed. I don't even have a counter to know how many hits I get, much less what search engines they are using, or keywords. I checked out the descriptions of the analysis software you mentioned, but have no idea what any of the abbreviations mean - so I'll have to rely on my host to supply them - or get another host.

Thanks again,



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