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12:56 am on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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W00t!

and now some text to bypass size filters...

1:47 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hmmm... Dmoz has providing a dump on a regular basis for quite a while now - about once a week or so. Am I missing something about this latest dump?

Or do you mean something else by "dmoz update"?

Beth

8:36 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Or do you mean something else by "dmoz update"?

I'd mean something else if I used the words "DMOZ" and "dump" in the same sentence. ;)

11:46 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What this post probably means that Google has Finally updated its directory,

YAHOOOOOOOOO!

My site finally makes into Google Directory and has some extra text like other competeting sites.

Good news.

12:00 am on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Cool, a thread wondering what the thread is about.

<The Google Directory updated a week ago. DMOZ updates every minute of every day.>

2:30 am on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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lol steve
10:43 am on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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well, it *might* be good news if one could
get into the freakin' dmoz directory to
begin with.

18 months and counting on a submission that
has been aknowledged as being "in the queue"

that one can sit there until i get the award
for longest in the the queue.

i no longer submit to dmoz.

it's another democratic nightmare.
i just wish they would die a decent death.

if google wants a directory as the basis
of their crawl, they should fund one from
their coffers.

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10:53 pm on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google are (probably) using the RDF dump from 2003-03-03.
There are a few UTF-8 errors in that one.
The next one should fix all but a few dozen of those.
10:59 pm on Mar 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>if google wants a directory as the basis
of their crawl, they should fund one from
their coffers.

Why? Even if a site hasn't managed to get in the ODP because it is still waiting in the queue, odds are if the site is any good that it'll have a link from at least one site listed in the ODP. Why would Google want to pay to achieve what they want when they can just instead crawl dmoz.org for free?

10:29 am on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Why would Google want to pay to achieve what they want when they can just instead crawl dmoz.org for free?

If Google's aim is to achieve a directory like DMOZ then they really will be in trouble.
It's unfriendly, badly catergorsied, badly worded and I don't know many ordinary surfers who are even aware of it's existence.
If google wants a good directory it should fund one. If it wants a bad one, then it has already achieved this.
Like everything in life, you get what you pay for.
4:14 pm on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>If Google's aim is to achieve a directory like DMOZ then they really will be in trouble.
It's unfriendly, badly catergorsied, badly worded and I don't know many ordinary surfers who are even aware of it's existence.

The context here was Googlebot using the ODP as being a good starting point to crawl the web. You are shifting that to "a directory that ordinary surfers will want to use." Much different. Yahoo has marginalized its directory to the point most ordinary surfers aren't even aware of it's existence. Which leads me to suspect Google would have no interest in funding creating a new directory. Just not profitable. As the ODP is free, for Google it is a bargain. Those people who use Google who think the ODP is like you describe above are free to ignore the Google directory.

4:40 pm on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>It's unfriendly, badly catergorsied, badly worded

One man's trash is another man's gold.

5:31 pm on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Championing or bashing the ODP is done on a daily basis in the Directories forum. It seems a bit off topic for Google News I think. ;)

Can anyone confirm that Google updated their directory recently? "Inquiring minds want to know!"

And so do I. :)

6:05 pm on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Seems like they did update, but note that there are three stages:

- in the SERPs, adding links to the category on some entries
- adding site listings to the Google directory itself
- making the site appear in the Directory Search.

There can be several months between each of these stages.

9:38 pm on Mar 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yes it updated on 17 March. See also
[webmasterworld.com...]
10:39 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The context here was Googlebot using the ODP as being a good starting point to crawl the web.

the point i am trying to make, is that it is not as
good a starting point as it could be.

how's that for being pc :)

i question it's completeness, and emphasise it with
my personal experience.

the point is not whether any particular site can
get into dmoz on any given day, but rather, how
good is the crawl seed?

to paraphrase, are you as good as you can be?

i suggest that the answer is no, and further
suggest that an internal effort might be better.

presumably, google has adequate capital to fund
such an effort.

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11:11 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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PlumSauce,

Here, Here!

And indeed, There! There!

11:28 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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interesting since the directory has disappeared from the search interface with the redesign taking its tab and the category bit in the SERP's.

you might recognise the categories on the new personalised search in labs though

see if you see anything familiar...

[labs.google.com...]

ps if there are any mods about i posted a new entry about the labs update. don't think its been mentioned yet.

11:40 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Wow, that personalized search slider thingee is... well I don't know.
11:42 am on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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lol yeah. i am thinking 'implications' but i haven't quite got me head round it yet.

dunno if it is that related to the directory now i've messed around a bit

:-S

12:06 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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some information on the personalised search:

[labs.google.com...]

Some highlights:


What is Google Personalized web search?

Google Personalized web search delivers custom search results that are based on a profile you create describing your interests. For example, people with an interest in the outdoors will see different relevant sites for a search on "bass" than people who are interested in music. Google Personalized web search is currently available in test mode on Google Labs, where you can create and save your profile and see results tuned to your preferences. Your results can be instantly rearranged by dragging a slider at the top of the page to go from no personalization to full personalization or anywhere in between.

That's pretty awesome. How does it do that?

Google has developed new algorithms that dynamically reorder results by weighting the interests you enter in your profile. When you move the slider, it recalculates and rearranges the results to add more or less emphasis on your profile information.

I went to the second page of results and the slider slid off the page. Where is it?

Personalized results currently show up only on the first page after you do a search. The other results pages show standard Google results.

What do the colored balls next to my search results mean?

The balls indicate which results Google thought were more relevant to your search, based on the interests you entered in your profile. As you move the slider to the right to increase the degree of personalization, these results move closer to the top.

Psst. Googleguy. Might wanna get someone to renumber the answers on the FAQ....they all seem to be answering question number one. ;-)

12:38 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's not the exact ODP dump - for example they have Health/Diseases rather than Health/Conditions_and_Diseases. Plus half the second level categories are missing.
6:38 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hmmm, intereresting personalised results.

I have a site about "topic". It is #1 for several keyword searches related to that topic. If I tick the personalise box associated with that topic and then personalise the result, the #1 listing disappears completely out of the results! If I set personalise back to minimum, then the #1 result returns.

I need to work out what I need to do to convince Google that this site really is about "topic" beyond all the content being about that topic, 90% of the incoming links being from sites about the same topic, or several very closely related topics (several are THE authority site), and 75% of the outgoing links being also closely related.