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zamolxis

5:09 pm on Mar 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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hi there

Someone has copied my site exactly, every word, every link and because he has a higher PR than me, google takes my site like a duplicate and his site takes all my SERP's.
This is so frustrating what shall i do, any ideas?!

cabbie

10:08 pm on Mar 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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These guys are the lowest of the low.
Send a email to the administrative contact on the whois info of the domain and threaten Civil legal action for breach of copyright.
If the email bounces then send an email to the register holding the domain and ask for correct whois info.They, by law give the owner of the domain 15 days to give correct whois information or risk losing the domain.
Send 1 also to the host of the site and ask them to take the site down or risk being included in your legal action.
If the domain has an affiliate link on it report him to the sponsor also suggesting that they may be included in any leagl action you instigate.
Finally you can send 1 to google citing breach of copyright issues.They may be able to verify by their cache who was first but they may also ignore it or just exclude both sites from their serps.
If all the above fail see a lawyer.

jtbell

12:26 am on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Someone has copied my site exactly, every word, every link

If that is the case, you can file a DMCA complaint with Google, which requests them to remove the offending pages from the index:

[google.com...]

ALbino

1:28 am on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I had the same thing happen to me and was referred to this URL:

[webmasterworld.com...]

Good luck!

phish

3:16 am on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google won't do anything until you file a complaint with a certain entity (of which im not sure i can mention here) first. Either way it's not easy, it happened to me. Unless you have specific copyrighted content or images, and actually own a legal copyright or trademark that has been compromised, your SOL. If however you do fit in the above area, Google is very good about removing the other site from the results.

-phish

johnnydequino

3:29 am on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This happened EXACTLY to me, and I hate this. Copying sites are total losers.

The good news: If your site is cached before this guy copied, you won't get penalized according to google. Your site is original, this loser is not.

jd

tbear

9:38 am on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You will need to contact Google by snail mail (check the link from jtbell, above), they will remove the other site if it is in breach of DMCA and they will post the facts at chillingeffects.
Might take some time though :(
If you contact the host, etc, I would advise using snail mail.
Good luck, but try to keep it civil.

kaled

11:09 am on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think it also worth bearing in mind that if Google have cached the offending pages, Google are themselves in breach of copyright.

For this reason, I would save copies of these pages as they appear in the Google cache.

Kaled.

tenerifejim

11:47 am on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Kaled,

I have no idea if what I am about to say is right or wrong legally so don't rip me to shreds, but I'm not sure the google cache is breaching copyright. After all, you can ask them not to cache your site in the robots.txt.

zamolxis

11:53 am on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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hi guys, thanks for all your great help, i'll try everything you've said to remove the loser's site from google.

Regards,
zamolxis

kaled

12:42 pm on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Jim,

So far as I am aware, there is no provision in the robots.txt standard to prevent caching and Google has not suggested an extension to the standard (but others at WW have).

Think of it this way.

1) You have a set of photos.
2) You allow a magazine to archive those photos on their website provided they acknowledge your copyright.
3) Someone steals your photos.
4) The thief allows those photos to archived by the magazine with HIS/HER copyright claim.
5) The thief is clearly in breach of copyright.
6) After the magazine is notified and instructed to remove the offending material, it too is in breach of copyright if it does not comply as soon as it reasonably can.
7) The fact that the same photos are already archived (with the correct copyright acknowledgement) is almost certainly irrelevant, but I imagine a lawyer with dollar signs in his eyes might disagree.

Kaled.

PS The blurb at the top of the Google-cached page serves as the copyright acknowledgement in this case

SyntheticUpper

1:19 pm on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A point of clarification: just something that came up in an earlier post.

Certainly in UK law (and I think in most common-law around the World) copyright is *automatic* - that is, if you have written something original, you have legal rights to that intellectual property. You don't have to 'claim' it; it already belongs to you by default.

Nevertheless, I still put 'copyright' etc. at the bottom of some pages, but this is just a reminder to those who might be tempted to steal. There is no legal requirement to *assert* rights to property you already own :)

(Just my 2 billion dollars worth ;)

tenerifejim

1:50 pm on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for clarification, Kaled.

I wasn't actually referring to nocache idea (although that would be great), but no index (obviously this will affect rankings and is ridiculously heavy handed I know, but it will stop the caching!).

But how about all those web browsers that save content for offline viewing? Is this copyright theft too? Or how about those people with photographic memories? Must we Men-in-black them everytime they read our stuff? Only joking.

I really sympathise with people who have been plagerised, like all that student who wrote the UK's Iraq dossier, but it seems long, drawn-out legal processes are the only real recourse.

One thing I would add, from a legal point of view, is that any letter or email you send to someone that has taken your stuff could well be submitted as evidence in the future. Just make sure you don't descend into name calling or blow your own case by asking for cash for it.

cyberprosper

11:57 pm on Mar 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just write the guy's web host using a DMCA letter. They are required to take the site down. If you, in your letter, lay out a decent case, it is likely they will not let the guy put the site back online.

Clever

12:27 am on Mar 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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@zamolxis

look at this threat:
[webmasterworld.com...]

It could be one possible reason for your hijacked site. You are not alone.
I have lost two sites (only my hobby) and nobody cares about.