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Can ASP Pages be Ranked Better

Asp Pages and Page Rank.

         

dhaliwal

10:55 am on Feb 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I wish to know if anyone has got some idea about the ranking of Pages that are dynamically generated by content stored in access database. I have made a website www.example.com

lot of people come veryday, and the home page has pagerank of 4, but no other page in asp has got any ranking, but only a 0 out of ten.

all the pages are correctly indexed and updated every week or even 4 times a week.
i don't know why the rank isn't increasing for the content pages.
hope to see replies from high order webmasters.

regards,
dhaliwal

[edited by: pageoneresults at 12:40 pm (utc) on Feb. 16, 2004]
[edit reason] Removed URI Reference - Please refer to TOS [/edit]

kaled

4:46 pm on Feb 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well, I'm certainly not a "high order webmaster" however here are a couple of thoughts.

PR as reported by the toolbar is unreliable - SERPS are what count.

Do you have external links to deep pages?

PR is calculated iteratively. If the only links to deeper pages are internal, at least one additional iteration will probably be required before internal pages show any PR.

Kaled.

mbennie

4:59 pm on Feb 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Lose the query strings and convert the URL's to .htm extensions.

Propelled us from the basement to the penthouse with Google.

defanjos

5:14 pm on Feb 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Make sure your urls don't have more than two parameters. Also, don't use parameters like id=123.

ok:
www.site.com/page.asp?something=123&else=456

bad:
www.site.com/page.asp?id=123&else=456&else2=789&else3=123

GoogleGuy

5:36 pm on Feb 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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All good suggestions. PageRank can flow to dynamic pages and .asp pages though. They're treated just as regular pages.

Abdelrhman Fahmy

5:52 pm on Feb 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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May be your problem is not about Dynamic pages, you have to review the pages again to find if you have any thing may be penalized by google
May be: long URL with many parameters
Session ID
Duplicates
..
..

also try to check the cached copy of your internal ASP pages at google.

thevoodoo

6:25 pm on Feb 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well,

In light of the past few updates, Flor*da, Aust*n and Br*ndy, I have noticed a trend which mplies better rankings for deep URLs with dynamic contents from template based shopping cart websites and such.

There are quite a few dynamic URLS ranking in top 5 for many markets that I have checked. especially in this new Br*ndy update.

Also, if you are very concerned about the dyanmic URLS you might want to look into URL Rewriting, which is a very very powerful tool.

Don't Give Up!
TheVoodoo

dhaliwal

6:56 pm on Feb 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well i have posted first time here, and found more responses than i expected.
thanks to all of you for being so nice to reply on this message.
i have found only a few ideas for the increase in page rank.
Thanks to everyone for caring to reply and help me out with lower page ranks.

and voodoo, i can't understand what you wanted to say
could you please be in some simple language.

best regards to all

dhaliwal

thunderpaste

10:05 pm on Feb 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just switched to a .asp CMS for my e-commerce site from a .php model. I am seeing the same thing now with pagerank of 4 on the homepage but all others are 0.

My serps have actually improved a bit in the recent update so I am thinking it is a matter of time until the pr updates.

I have never been banned or anything like that so I am not overly scared I have been penalized, but it does put a wrench in building link relationships. I have already been turned down by people who requested links on my old pr 2-3 .php pages despite the fact the content is the same. They are scared of my pr0 pages.

No big deal as long as the traffic keeps coming, I will just keep building content.

thevoodoo

10:14 pm on Feb 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ThunderPaste,

In this world of SE turmoil, I would not give up my page name i.e. URLs. Bu changing to an ASP model and not keeping you old page names you have dumped all the PR's and rankings g the .PHP pages and started new with Fresh .ASP pages.

For later reference, SE's understand that website owners change their website structure or layout or even domain name over time. The Permanent 301 Redirect is one solution. However I am not sure if you can put hundreds of thoe to redirect old .PHP urls to new .ASP urls and not get frowned at by SE's. ;)

Another solution would have been configuring your server to treat .PHP files as if they were .ASP which can be done in many different ways. This way you would not have needed to change your file names and hence URLS.

thevoodoo

10:16 pm on Feb 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Dhaliwal,

Sorry to be vague! See the posting here for more info on URL Rewriting and Dynamic Pages.

[webmasterworld.com ]

Thanks,
TheVoodoo

dhaliwal

12:48 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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thanks a lot voodoo for all these great suggestions.
i think people out here are more nice and helpful than at any other board.

i think we all can excel with exchanging ideas and making a better earning for all of us by extracting greater traffic from search engines.

i would appreciate more suggestions on how to improve the search engine rankings and how to fetch more geniune traffic.

also do discuss how we can use asp and at the same time make the page search engine friendly.
also there is one mroe point to make, most of the websites use the long url and & and? for asp pages, so it provides more of usability and functions to users.

so how can we neglect what the user wants, but one importnat thing is to please the search engine spider.

well waiting for more people to give some knowledge and share some secrets.

thanks all who replied and more thanks to voodoo

regards,

dhaliwal

rogerd

1:15 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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PageRank can flow to dynamic pages and .asp pages though.

I'm sure this is true, although I see toolbar oddities in displaying the PR of dynamic pages. These pages are indexed and rank reasonably well, and are linked well internally, but show zero toolbar PR. To me, this looks like a toolbar issue as the pages almost certainly have reasonable PR based both on linkage and actual search performance.

internetheaven

7:56 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That's a very good question that I have been wondering for a while now. I have dynamically generated pages and none of them show PR in the toolbar (PR0 not Greybar). Any change Googleguy could confirm that this is a Toolbar issue and if it is being dealt with?

MedCenter

10:32 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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use mod_rewrite

if you don't know how, find someone who does.

internetheaven

11:19 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That's already been stated above ^^^, that wasn't what I was asking. If I wanted to know how to make dynamically generated pages look static I would have said 'How do I make dynamically generated pages look static?' but I didn't say that. I was asking fact that as dynamically generated pages don't seem to show a PR on the Google Toolbar yet seem to rank as though they have PR is there a problem with the Google Toolbar or are dynamically generated pages a problem for the PageRank algorithm.

I can't think of how dynamically generated pages could be a problem for the alogrithm that is why I am asking for Googleguy to confirm whether there is an issue with the Toolbar that is being dealt with in the near future.

MedCenter

11:31 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There is NO issue.

Google only LIMITS the amount of URLS with? in the URL string.

Your pages have probably not been ASSIGNED a pagerank yet. Google usually does a first PR assignment to the homepage, and then subpages later.

Patience.

As a sidenote, since the Austin update, index.php and index.php?asdl=asdasd and index.php?page=contact all get the same PR.

skipfactor

11:41 pm on Feb 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>pages are indexed and rank reasonably well, and are linked well internally, but show zero toolbar PR

The only time I've noticed toolbar PR on a dynamic page is when there's a hard link coming from a static page.

For instance, if I leave a link to a featured product on my default.html long enough, it shows toolbar PR even though it's:

http:¦¦www.domain.com/productdetail.asp?sku=100

However, I've noticed zero ranking difference. They do such a great job indexing & ranking my whitebar asp pages, I could care less what the toolbar says and have no reason to rewrite.

HenryUK

12:14 am on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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this will be sucking eggs stuff to most posters but the original questioner seemed fairly new to this.

If you're doing db-driven pages you will also want to think about automating page titles with relevant keywords picked up from fields in the db. Don't use all the fields, just pick the ones that make up key phrases that you might want to be found on eg you might want them to read [widget] [widget-type] [colour] [town], assuming those to be four relevant fields

an extension of this, if you have a lot of pages for which those page titles would then be the same would then be to mix up the order or use some coding to produce relevant synonyms.

I'd also put these dynamically generated phrases as the anchor text internal links on your site.

You might also want to ensure that that same, clearly relevant phrase was also in the on-page headers.

Also I'd reiterate the advice about making the URLs look static - some other spiders like them better, and also the newly generated static URLs can include those keywords again.

Apologies if this is old stuff for some readers, but it is amazing how many sites are out there that have clearly done some SEO but have not done the simple stuff above.

Disclaimer: I'd be very interested if anyone disagrees with the above techniques! All I know I learned from this site!

James_Dale

12:35 am on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Here's what you need to know:

asp and php pages often take longer to show PR in the toolbar. That's just the way it is. Sometimes, months can go by. Sometimes, those pages might never show PR. Provided that the page is indexed, this does not affect its actual PR score nor its ranking in any way. I've noticed this across hundreds of sites and pages. One way around it, if you are really concerned about literally seeing the PR in the toolbar, is to get more deep links to those pages.

Ha! Just noticed skipfactor's comments above. Seems we concur. :)

skipfactor

1:13 am on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I should have stated my observations are based upon just one site that's a little over a year old with unique products that eventually go away. It's a good test though because I'm 99% sure there aren't any incoming deep links to any product detail pages.

However, I have products that have been up for over a year that still show whitebar. When I saw the green on a dynamic page, it of course caught my eye so I backtracked, and the static link was the only difference I could come up with.

Interesting thread, anyone have mature dynamic pages with no static internal or external hard linking showing green?

dhaliwal

9:54 am on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Now that i have converted the source code from all generated asp pages to .htm pages, i think my web content about skincare should now get better ranking on google.
and to give clarification to people out there, i must tell that the website is more than 2 years old, and the pages that are asp generated have been on google for more than 6 months now.
but still the pr needs to be greatly improved.

i know that my content is best on internet, but until google gives it a higher pr i think it won't be hep in masses.

lets hope for better time to come, as now i have even changed the content pages to .htm and now we have pages both in asp and htm site.

lol a 2 way website for people to enjoy, but there are more than 400 pages which i have to convert to htm

need more tips to improve ranking

regards,
dhaliwal