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I have just noticed something:
I did a search with kw(in singular) and inside the first page results i noticed that there were titles with kw(in plural) marked bold.
keyword: single holidays results: single + singles holidays
Has G the ability of understanding the singular and the plural of the kws?
It's the first time i notice that in G.
Has anybody noticed something similar?
This may explain many cases. For example, if hypothetically your page the was #1 for "dogs" before, it may now be surpassed by other pages that were only well optimized for "dog".
[edited by: LateNight at 6:17 am (utc) on Nov. 28, 2003]
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No evidence of stemming there. The way to test if a keyword is affected is to search it, and see if their is stemming evident in the SERPs. If there is no evidence of stemming in the SERPs for your keywords, then likely this couldn't explain a drop.
It's not just your standard stemming. :) There's some elegant stuff in there, and it will only get better over time. I'm excited about some of the newer tools we have to leverage linguistics and semantics to improve quality..
Will singular be excluded too, leaving me with only "widget" results?
This seems like a bad thing to me. If I want to search for Australian I don't want Australia results cluttering everything up.
1. Florida fXXXed a lot of commercial sites.
2. Keyword stemming is found, but for only some keywords, especially commercial natured.
3. Link pop' and anchor text is still king, overulling titles & body.
4. The new filter, based on commercial terms/stemming or whatever makes it a much harder job to SEO as the margins from good SEO'ing to spamming are very close...
5. Based on the stemming findings - what are SEO's left to do in terms of keyword niches? I.E if In the past, we could find a niche keyword no one is trying to promote and get good positiones there quite easily - now, the stemming DB will rank other sites high for this keyword...
6. Does anyone have any advice on any pro-active 'what to do next'? (It seems everyone here is mixed up, confused and finding *amazing* findingd - but with no actual solutions...
I'm excited about some of the newer tools we have to leverage linguistics and semantics to improve quality..
I hope this isn't off topic, but it seems like the right spot to mention it. I was playing around with the tilde operator... which previously produced results containing synonyms... and it now seems to be giving results that are much broader than they were before Florida.
Searching ~mattresses, for example, I see that the #4 result is for "Lava Beds National Monument." When I search ~kitchen, I see words like "food" highlighted. I can't compare these with prior results, but is the tilde operator in conjunction with Florida now doing something different from what it did before?
Interestingly the tilde synonyms for ~kitchen are different to the Adwords broad matching for kitchen. Adwords matches:
and also suggests as a huge list of additional keywords, but it does not include food as a broad match or additional keyword, whereas the ~kitchen search does match on food.
Anyway, does anyone see anything different to this:
1. Search for 'blue widget' - also highligts 'widgets', 'widgetgizmo' etc.
2. Search for 'widgetgizmo' - no stemming at all.
3. Search for 'blue widgets' - no stemming (i.e. doesn't highlight 'widget').
If this is indicative of how it works, then it is reasonable to assume that Google has a static list of stemmed words - this list is far from complete and all stemming is one way only (i.e. widget = widgetgizmo, but widgetgizmo!= widget... unless that is also added as a separate entry).
Can anyone see anything different? A bit odd don't you think?
Further more - can anyone find an example of stemming that doesn't also correspond with one of the major changes in serps?
I could just be imagining it, of course, but I hope I'm not. (-:
But I am seeing word stemming for the same keyword in some multiple keyword searches but not others including the same keyword.
Specifically
Widget does not match Widgets
Blue Widget matches Blue Widgets
Red Widget does not match Red Widgets
All very, very strange!
I don't see synonyms unless I use the Tilde ~keyword search.
Just_Guessing, what does "-sdhfk" mean? (I get the part about the minus sign excludes it from the search)
Pierre2003, what does "-baysianspamfilter" mean? I've never heard of this.
When doing both of these searches, the results were nearly identical to pre-Florida!
