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No. 1 for only one day and back to nowhere

another google update for my site

         

mslina2002

10:10 am on Dec 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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After Florida I dissappeared to the trillionth page (before being on page 2). So I started changing pages and adding in contents and backlinks.

Late last night I checked using various key words and came up no.1 every time. Google said it updated my page on Dec 20.

I had still been working on some other pages on my site so had been continuously updating today as well. Anyway, did a check tonight and now I am nowhere to be found. When I pull up my site on Google, the cached page is from 1 month ago (Florida) and hasn't been updated since.

So why did it say -updated Dec 20 yesterday and today the date for the cached page is one month ago? I noticed the same sites showing up post Florida on page 1 that had very little to do with the keywords...

Also, does Google has a problem with updating websites too frequently?

Thanks for any help!

nileshkurhade

3:18 pm on Dec 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I experienced the same thing. The results were from www-in.

mslina2002 could you please confirm if the results you saw were from [www-in.google.com...]

bignet

3:43 pm on Dec 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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i have noticed the same when it comes to new content appearing suddenly on top of serps
i think you should be back soon(1-3 days) unless Google new update gets into the equation

[clarify]changed from new sites to new content[/clarify]

dotme

4:06 pm on Dec 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I can confirm that my site, page 1 pre-florida, page 10 post florida, has vanished completely from -in as of this morning for the two keywords.

This is absurd - Nobody is entitled to page 1, but to vanish completely for the two keywords that most accurately describe the site content, while remaining quite visible for keywords that really don't fit the site, makes no sense! If I de-optimize, I lose position with Scooter, Inktomi and others. Why would I want to do that?

And if my site is about "abc xyz", then why wouldn't I want to make sure those were the keywords the site was optimized for? I thought that was the whole point - to provide a fair and accurate representation of the site's topic for spiders.

With every massive change in the results, Google loses more and more credibility. They now appear so disorganized and inconsistent that it's hard to take them seriously. Most importantly... if a site clearly about "abc xyz" is nowhere to be found when a searcher types in "abc xyz" but comes up on page 1 for "rsw frd", Google no longer can claim to be accurate/relevent either. Their reputation, for me, is now damaged beyond repair.

</frustrated rant> :)

Simple truth is that as a webmaster, I cannot risk solid positioning on Alta Vista, MSN and Inktomi to cater to the whims of a few engineers at Google. I suspect that MSN and Yahoo combined, once Yahoo goes to Inktomi, will account for more than 70% of my traffic so I'll be happy with that.

too much information

4:36 pm on Dec 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I hate to throw a thread off topic but as to your comment:

With every massive change in the results, Google loses more and more credibility.

I have to disagree. I listen to talk radio while at work, and the first 20 min. of the show today was the host talking about how much fun he had searching on Google using his name and assorted keywords in the search. He gave examples of searches that took him one try to find his desired information and even had callers who praised Google as well. He even gave the history of Google and talked about how amaizing it is.

You just can't buy publicity like that. (I wish he'd talk about one of my sites!)

Now, back to the topic, I have a site that was #1-2 for along time, but has been long gone since Florida. It does show up between 1 and 5 for other searches though. Searches that I wanted, but was unable to target before because of the competition for the main keywords. (I would get a rank in all of the SERPs but my main keyword put me on page 2)

Yidaki

5:02 pm on Dec 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>So why did it say -updated Dec 20 yesterday and today
>the date for the cached page is one month ago?

Because google hasn't fully updated the new info about your site yet. Give it a few days and you'll see things stabilize. Shifts are pretty normal at google.

mslina2002

5:11 pm on Dec 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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mslina2002 could you please confirm if the results you saw were from [www-in.google.com<...]

How can you tell which datacenter was used? I'm afraid I'm a novice to this :)

mslina2002

5:13 pm on Dec 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Because google hasn't fully updated the new info about your site yet. Give it a few days and you'll see things stabilize. Shifts are pretty normal at google.

Thanks, I think there is not much I can do now. Just sit back and wait...

Essex_boy

5:16 pm on Dec 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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DOTME:

Yes I agree with you, Google is losing credability. So what if some hick living hillbilly phones a radio station praising it.

The general public as such doesnt really notice the changes in stages not untill the alteration is utterly complete - then they sit back and think well thats odd, and then go to dogpile or Lycos.

When they do - Good bye Mr G.

Ive been saying this since May only to have people laugh at teh idea.

You wouldnt mind if these big changes happened once a year or so but christ they are happening so often that ive lost count.

Now a point to note, before May MSN.com gave me chuff all traffic now its seriously up and threatening Googles position as a lead supplier of vistors to my site.

Nothing major has changed on my site and the rankings are roughly the same. So why the change? I think you know the answer to that.

Jakpot

5:09 pm on Dec 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When Florida first hit my traffic increased significantly. Then on
December 4 my traffic went down 90% and has stayed at that level which is much lower than pre florida.
I have made zero changes to any of the webpages, I have very simple webpages that at one time were ranked consistently
in the top ten for numerous keywords.
They have no forbidden techniques.
Has anyone had a similiar experience? I don't recall my type situation being discussed.
Thanks

finer9

5:38 pm on Dec 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think all that can be said right now is

"There is no free lunch!"

Internet marketing, like non-Internet marketing, needs to be a multi-faceted approach, aka 'marketing mix'.

Google is only one engine, under one category of a solid Internet marketing strategy.

I agree, it really sucks to lose a lot of traffic to a site, and it has happened to me as well, but if you are looking at it like a business you cannot rely on a single point of failure.

The concept of sustainability comes to mind.

Jakpot

6:51 pm on Dec 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have a web page that was getting lots of hits/day
for Keyword1Keyword2 (ranked number one).
Then the filter started for money keywords and my hits went to zero from Google on 12/5.
Strange though the page is still ranked number one for
"discount Keyword1Keyword2" but gets few hits.
What game are the Googlers playing?