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The only thing I can think of is that we may be getting penalized for some reason and so are our clients.
I wonder if the links between our sites are being deemed as reciprocal links? Being web developers we have “web site by companyname’ links at the bottom of some client pages.
At the same time, on our Clients page we have links to some of those very same clients so that prospective customers can see the work we do.
We do search marketing for a number of clients (and always follow ethical tactics to the best of our ability). We have some clients that we do search marketing for, whose web sites we did not design, so there is no “web site by companyname’ links on those sites back to our site. Those sites usually have much better Page Ranks even though we employ the same tactics as for the other client sites. It is this that really makes me think that we may be getting penalized for the links between sites.
Any thoughts before I start removing the outgoing links to our client sites? I’m not going to be happy if this is the case as these links to our clients help us sell our services and the links on our client sites to our site help bring us new customers.
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A “web site by companyname" link to the design company and links back from the company's client list would in themselves not be cause for alarm. They are both very normal, legitimate, non-deceptive practices.
Unless! Besides these links among the design company and clients' sites, how well are each of them linked with sites from "outside the fold"? Do each of the client sites have significant number of outgoing links, of which the link to your site will be one of many? Do they have incoming links from different external sites? The same questions for the design site.
Unless each site is linked separately to other sites it might look to Google and other SEs as a typical link farm. So, best bet is to develop some different incoming links for each site and finding sites to externally link to (maybe a 'more information' section on each page, for example).
Warning: I'm opening up a can of worms here concerning the external links from each site. Many others here on WW advise to limit external links or find ways to hide them from SE spiders. I'm from the other camp, the more the merrier.
Jim
In the short term, linking to more sites (outside the cluster) may help. Getting more inward links to all sites (from outside the cluster) will probably be required too.
Of course, this is just guesswork.
Kaled.
If the links are between sites on same IP, and the bot spots them, you will be penalised.
Since we use the same couple of web hosting companies for most sites soem of them will be on the same servers, but most of them have their own IP address. As does our web site
Interesting. Some of web design clients, that we have done little or no marketing for, have very few incoming or outgoing links. Others, the ones we have done Link Building for usually have a fair number of incoming links and some outgoing links. One of our clients that I am most conerned about, as they have a 0 PR, is an national antique seller and that site has a fair number of incoming links from various antique directory sites, etc. They have just a few outgoing links to some antique information and charity show sites they participate in.
If you want you can sticky me some urls, and I'll have a look.
Not many get penalized (would be pointless anyways). Google prefers to tweak the algo so that spamming techniques will no longer work. They could do better, but that's a different story.
If the links are between sites on same IP, and the bot spots them, you will be penalised.
Nonsense, pure speculation.
1. The big webhosters host millions of sites on 1 IP.
2. Remember that Google is a 'page' search engine, not a 'site' search engine, it doesn't even care if the links are 'internal' or incoming (from other 'sites').
The difference between this site and the other 5 is that this one has almost all the links coming from those 5 sites, while they have many incoming links from other websites than ours as well.
Is it the ratio of incoming vs. outgoing links that is causing the problem? If I give more backlinks to the first site from several other websites, will it be fine? Or do I need to remove all the links from the sub-pages of all my sites? Thanks in advance for any suggestion.
Nonsense, pure speculation.
1. The big webhosters host millions of sites on 1 IP.
2. Remember that Google is a 'page' search engine, not a 'site' search engine, it doesn't even care if the links are 'internal' or incoming (from other 'sites').
Hi,
Just interested, on what basis are you saying pure speculation?
I've definately seen evidence to the contrary in patent applications, statements by Google reps and by observation. In fact I'm in the process of moving one site to a different IP range.
Best wishes
Sid
there are other reasons for problems
Second thing is the site hosted on the same server having a link to the site hosted on a third server. and the third server site now dropped (PR7):(
So i think this is not the thing that we are discussing everytime. We must think some think else to find out the solution. same Ip's, intra linking of the project, using <h1> tags or seo techniques, incomming links to the same company project. Becomming tooooo complicated. We need to do something new this time.
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