all most on page one for my two KW

[questwtg]

I'm all most on page one on google for my two keyworks, I'm on the top of page two. I'm so close I just need a little help to make it to bottom of page one. I'm not greedy I willing to take some place on the bottom of page one and not the top. I've been trying to get on page one for over a year, any suggestions will be a grate help. I have about 15 links to and from other sites to my page would more help? Thanks!

[bcolflesh]

I have about 15 links to and from other sites to my page would more help?

Yes!

[simonuk]

I currently have 600 links on one of mine and it's helping nicely :)

Simon.

[cabbie]

questwtg,Do you have any outbound links to other sites on topic?
If not I would love you to try this.
Find a site that is on the 1st page of your serps that you like and link to it from your your index page with the keywords as your anchor text.
I know it goes against the grain linking to the opposition and I keep getting shot down in flames by rfgdxm1 for suggesting that it helps but if you did this I would be willing to take bets from rfgdxm1 that you will be on the 1st page within a week providing that you have enough pr to be fresh botted regularly.

[trillianjedi]

I would be willing to take bets from rfgdxm1 that you will be on the 1st page within a week

Hmmmm...... interesting concept.

What odds are you offering?

TJ

[marin]

#3 in my area has 2 ( two ) links and PR4 ( 200000 competititors )

#1:1244 links PR6
#2: 461 links PR5

[questwtg]

That's is interesting, I'll give it a try. The site I give a link to is on page one so it won't help the site much. If it don't work I can remove the link in two weeks. Thanks for all the suggestions.

[cabbie]

I'll take evens TJ

[questwtg]

more about how do I get from page two to page one for my two keywords. I was looking at all the sites on page one for my two keywords, and counting their links.

#1 has 5 links but no keywords on the page?
#2 has 80 pages of links.
#3 has 13 links half internet,
#4 has 30 links.
#6 is a link to Bizrate.com
#7 has 22 links all internal.
#8 has 3 internal.

So Do I add more links or remove links down to 5 to 4 links. And why would the #1 spot go to a site with out the two keywords in it? Does Google put site that have nothing to do with the keywords in #1 so no commercial site will get the #1 spot?

[trillianjedi]

I'll take evens TJ

LOL

Lack of confidence or just not a gambling man?

TJ

[ogletree]

I rember threads a while back where Shak said 11 is better than 10.

[AZEvil]

I know of a few sites that did better at 11 than 10. I would agree with what Shak said. People seem to go to the first few links, get tired of that results page and move on...or so I've seen.

[BigDave]

I think that it depends on the type of search whether #0 or #11 is better. The more specific the search term, the more likely the sercher is to go deeper.

But I would always take an indented #11 & #12 over a #10.

Also, when checking backlinks, you need to consider a site's deep links. High content sites will usually have most of their best links going to internal pages.

[Excel]

Link some of your other site pages to the page. Get some more external links to it. Tweak you title tag. Use the keywords in you page heading......Basically make the page more relevant to the keywords.

Whatever you do, just do one thing at a time and be patient.

[questwtg]

Thanks for all the tips, Happy Holiday's!

[davewray]

Hmmmm...I've held both #10 and #11 and did FAR better in the #10 position. (Only slightly worse in #11). However, I would take #11 over #7, 8, or 9. Why? Because when people scroll down the first page of results to go to the 2nd page, they notice the #10 position...ie. it is not buried within results. Same explanation for #11.

Just my experience...

Dave.

[plasma]

Welcome to WW questwtg!

1. page 2 is nothing
2. page 1 is nothing, if you're not in the top5
3. 15 incmoing links is nothing, you want hundreds of links.
4. anchor-text is everything

[questwtg]

Guess what! Today (12-22-03) I was checking google for my two keywords and my page is on page one. It's on the bottom of page one But, that's cool! The only thing I did is added a few more links about 5 or 6 more, total about 19. I'm afraid of adding more than a hundred, I may get dropped for spamming. Maybe it's only going to last for Xmas week, then back to page two. Happy Holiday's!

[Splosh]

questwtg: nice to hear that.

Cabbie! heres one to back up your theory.

I'm quite new here so not too sure how specific i can or cant be, so mods please feel free to edit if i have overstepped the mark and apologies in advance if thats the case.

My employers have a UK mortgage site that was on the front page for a competative 2 word phrase pre florida. A collegue of theirs has a recruitment website PR7. They exchanged links, the link to the mortgage site had the 2 word phrase as anchor text.

After the florida update, the mortgage site was nowhere to be seen, but the recruitment site was on the front page.

One external link with keyword anchor text and PR7 on an off theme page.

They have since changed the anchor text and are no longer listed, but high PR and linking TO relevant sites with keyword anchor text did the trick

[cabbie]

Happy for you to questwtg.I am not sure by your post whether you did my suggestion or not but good on you.

Thanks for the supporting evidence Splosh although this is not exactly the same scenario the basics are the same.
If you have a site and dont have an outbound link to a relevant site with the keywords you are chasing then your site is not fully optimised.IMO.:)