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3:55 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm sure i should know this but i dont.

If you are position 5000 in google for a particular key phrase is there any clever way to find that out without a search through 500 pages looking for the relevant page?

Thanks

[edited by: Marcia at 8:13 am (utc) on Dec. 16, 2003]
[edit reason] No sigs or URLs, please. Thank you! [/edit]

6:21 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Not possible without using software Google doesn't want you to use. And, under no circumstance can you display beyond the first 1,000 results or so. Which is fine, since how many searchers will look beyond 1,000 results? ;)
7:17 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You may use the official googleapi.
It lets you do 1000 automated searches a day.
However, you need some programming skills ;)
7:23 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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However, with the Google API no way I know of to get beyond that first 1,000 sites.
4:41 am on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The easiest way to search thru Google's results or anyone's for that matter is with the Google toolbar.

  1. Using Google, set default search results per page to 100, which is the maximum.
  2. Run search for desired keyword / keyword phrase.
  3. Type domain name blue-widgets.tld into the toolbar search field on the left, but do **not** click on the binoculars.
  4. Instead click on the phrase blue-widgets.tld on the right side of the toolbar, which will highlight your listing, if it is on that page.

Forget about #5000. If you're not in the first couple hundred results, then you shouldn't even waste any more time checking your ranking. Instead, you should put some more time into building up your content and PR.

Ted

5:46 am on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What they said.
I do have a separate suggestion. Removing the link to your site from your sig line is not only the correct thing to do, it would save a moderator the trouble of doing it for you. Self-promotion is anti-TOS.
5:47 am on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Not possible without using software Google doesn't want you to use.

Is there a penalty for this? I wouldn't have thought so - it would be too easy to sabotage competitors' sites.

6:00 am on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Is there a penalty for this? I wouldn't have thought so - it would be too easy to sabotage competitors' sites.

They don't penalize the site typically. They block the misbehaving IP address from using Google. In some cases they can verify the site involved and the penalty is severe.

8:15 am on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This isn't what you're looking for, but it's the fastest legit tool I know for digging deep into Google serps... 100 at a time, without snippets, descriptions, urls, etc...

[google.com...]

If anyone knows how to get it to return visible urls along with the titles, that for me would make it more useful yet.

cdxp - Welcome to the boards. I suggest you remove the link from your signature before the mods do. Read the Terms of Service.

9:46 am on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks to all who responded -

The reason for the question was like everyone else i'm sure i always get clients who want to be number one for a key phrase for which there are 3M entries in google and it is good to be able to show the dire position we are starting from. Not being in the top 1000 is enough data.

re the sig i think its already gone - or i cant find it anymore in options so i consider myself soundly slapped. Probably not reading the TOS is enough reason to be in breach of TOS. :-)

re - the 5000 i made a high number to avoid comments about "dont be so lazy go look"

To those who sent me the private emails about Google API's also thanks.

No Sig

11:49 am on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Robert,

Very useful little link thanks :)

[OT] Interestingly though - doesn't seem to return the same results as normal search... any idea which datacenter google.com/ie comes from? Doesn't seem to be the same as www,www2,www3 or www-in... dare I say it looks like an old'ish index?

TTFN :)

7:27 pm on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Interestingly though - doesn't seem to return the same results as normal search...

I knew this question was going to come up. The clustering on 100 results is different from the clustering on 10. Someone else with more time can explain this in more detail. I tried briefly to get more than 100 results on a page, but 100 seems to be the max.

Otherwise, I think the results are regular www results. I would guess you could adapt the url to work with any data center, but I haven't tried it.

7:45 pm on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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mods, delete if you must--

not affiliated in any way, but quick and easy to get the data you're looking for:

www*googlerankings*com

7:48 pm on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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there is also at least one site out there that makes use of the google api, where you sign up for a license and their tool will track all rankings/sites for you. there is no cost right now.

i won't drop any more urls, sticky me if you're interested.

8:29 pm on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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hooloovoo22, good tool.
9:39 pm on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

There's also that Belgian one that lets you do compact results in 100s across a selection of datacentres. Just search for google tool and look for the first Belgian site.

Best wishes

Sid

10:47 pm on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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cdxp

There is a website i can sticky to you that uses google api . you can use this 1000 times a day google allows it.
Ive been using this for about the last 3 months and is right on the money everytime. It also lets you choose as many keywords that you are tracking . Right now myself im tracking 26 keywords using this site . There is no penalty
for this as long as you use google's api .all you have to do is email google and get your api no. and plug it in.
Let me know.

10:53 pm on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Oh yeah it also does backlinks or for that matter it will check anyones site where they rank and backlinks.
10:56 pm on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Search engine Commando works well. They were a sponser at last Pub Con. Looks like they are a sponser of the next one. Keep hitting refresh and you will see their ad eventualy in the top right.
2:50 am on Dec 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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re Search Engine Commando:
Keep hitting refresh and you will see their ad eventualy in the top right.

In the interest of keeping Brett's server load down, it might be a better idea to search for them on Google.

hooloovoo22 - GoogleRankings.com looks great, and their About page says they're operating with Google's blessing. Thanks.

9:38 am on Dec 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi verybody!

Here's a great tool for monitoring daily serp changes for your keywords (may be some of you know)-

www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords

One needs to get registered as auser which is free. I have no association or affiliation witht the site owner. Just wanted to refer to a great tool.

9:38 am on Dec 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi verybody!

Here's a great tool for monitoring daily serp changes for your keywords (may be some of you know)-

www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords

One needs to get registered as auser which is free. I have no association or affiliation witht the site owner. Just wanted to refer to a great tool.

10:02 am on Dec 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Getting more than 1000 results....
  • Use the Advanced Search button
  • Do various advanced searches (eg pages updated in last three months, or only .org)
  • Save all the search results
  • Merge them together with a bit of scripting magic. You'll have (more or less) relative rankings for perhaps as far out as 5000 results.
  • The numbers aren't absolutely guaranteed, but they are indicative.

    Much easier to use the API to get the results than to try it by hand with Advanced Search.

  • 6:42 pm on Dec 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

    WebmasterWorld Senior Member ogletree is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



    Thanks Robert Charlton I never thought about that.
     

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