Not listed on Google or any other SE

[DBraiden]

Hi Guys,
I am having problems get a site to be included on Google.
I have created the site nearly 2 months ago and it is still not showing any search results for it.
I have submitted the url to google and i have set up a robots.txt file and all relevant meta tags.
Can anyone help me with this. Or has anyone any ideas.

Kind Regards
David

[cleverett]

Lots of questions unanswered:

1. Does any other site link to your site?
2. How much content do you have?
3. How did you structure your site navigation?
4. Are you in google's index at all?
5. Has the googlebot visited.

Inquiring minds want to know.

[assasin]

I submitted my new site to Google and saw nothing for 4 weeks.

I then used my url in a sig in a couple of usenet posts, and Google had my entry page listed 10 days later.

Backlinks shows nothing but a search for the url shows the sigs I used in newsgroup postings.

All I would say is make sure the newsgroup topic is relevant so you don't get a negative hit on your page rank.

Ron

[dirkz]

> Can anyone help me with this. Or has anyone any ideas.

Links. Lots of links :-)

By the way, welcome to Webmaster world!

[ThomasB]

Backlinks shows nothing but a search for the url shows the sigs I used in newsgroup postings.

All I would say is make sure the newsgroup topic is relevant so you don't get a negative hit on your page rank.

Google was used to display only backlinks from pages with PR 4+. That behaviour changed a bit, but I think if your site has PR 3 or below don't worry that baclinks aren't shown. Context of the linking sites doesn't matter.

[thehittmann]

first of all submit to relevant categories of the ODP
then work on getting some nice "relevant" links that point to your site. After submitting your site to SE's just be patcient. I've found that normally with a new site it will not be fully indexed in google the first time it gets crawled. It will get a partial index...which means it will not come up in SERPS with a description only a title. And will normally rank very low.
The next month normally will bring out its proper position in the SERPS. Search google like this "www.yourdomain.com"
if it has been partially indexed it should show your site containing this. If not, wait a few months and then re-submit.

[bignet]

put down some original content.
links are what drive googlebot, but unic qontent is the food

[dirkz]

> put down some original content.

To be honest, Googlebot likes masses of content, but it needn't necessarily be quality content :-)

[a_chameleon]

I've had newly made sites that popped up in Google rapidly after using the sig. in newsgroups, too, and after appearing in pratically any 3rd tier or homegrown SE..

Lycos is pretty easy to get into, using the paid "Insite" spidering deal (cheap) and once there, it's almost a given Gbot will find you. If not, submit the Lycos SERP w/ your site in it to Google... Try submitting to several of the foreign Googles - such as the UK, etc... they are often a good way to back door into Google.

The be-all-end-all used to be an ODP listing, but ODP's been very slow and Google doesn't just mirror the ODP's rankings and categorization like it used to.. maybe some other members here know more than I about that arena..

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[thehittmann]

From what I've heard is that google uses the first 100 results from each ODP category. But it's still a link to your site from a decent PR page.....still a good start for your linking I think.

[dirkz]

> Lycos is pretty easy to get into, using the paid "Insite" spidering deal (cheap) and once there, it's almost a given Gbot will find you.

How so?

[thehittmann]

I have never paid for inclusion and I never will.
They only SE that I've found does not index my site are msn,hotbot becasue the only way that you can get there is by paying.

[Stefan]

They only SE that I've found does not index my site are msn,hotbot becasue the only way that you can get there is by paying

You don't have to pay to get listed with MSN/Ink, (or Overture for that matter). Our site rocks in MSN and we never asked for anything.

On topic: DBraiden, links, content, more links, more content, even more content, and then some more links, (as long as the links aren't dodgy recip crap).

[dirkz]

> Our site rocks in MSN and we never asked for anything.

How did you do it? :-)

[thehittmann]

Thats weird.....cos all of the above sites that you have mentioned are either strictly PFI or PPC search engines.

[ChrisKud5]

"Thats weird.....cos all of the above sites that you have mentioned are either strictly PFI or PPC search engines. "

Very few indexs will not include a website that the spider can find becuase they have not paid...........Even the pay engines, like Ink and MSN are very easy to get into with good links and content worth crawling and indexing. If you have content that people search for, and links for the bots to find you, just relax and keep your wallet in your pocket. MSN, Ink, Zeal, etc will all crawl your site sooner or later if you have links, links, links, and content.

I also get very very good traffic from MSN, and no, I have never paid a dime for paid inclusion.

Get links and work on content.

[thehittmann]

my site ranks 63 of 3,000,000 for the most competitive keyword, #1 for many other less competitive keywords. Some I get all top 3-5 spots. I dont think that linking or content is a problem with MSN not listing my site. I have been spidered by the msnbot..but we have no idea whats going on there yet.

[Stefan]

>Our site rocks in MSN and we never asked for anything.

How did you do it? :-)

I don't know... :-)

I guess they got us from the ODP, the same as Overture did. That's the great thing about dmoz listings... you get found by every SE on the planet without ever having to worry about submitting URL's. We're in two cat's; we asked for one and the other just appeared out of the blue.

[thehittmann]

i am an editor at dmoz, musicmoz, scaffe and mavicanet
being listed doesnt make a difference unless your page title appears within the first 100 results for the category.

[Stefan]

Our site's two categories have 7 listings in one, and 23 in the other. They're both PR6. We never submitted to Google, Ink, AV, ATW, Overture or Bob's-your-uncle's search engine. We just submitted to one ODP cat, and the Yahoo Directory. It's all been blue-skies since then. We rock in all the SE's, including ones we wish would crawl a little less often, (64.68.xx.xx is welcome anytime, and seems to realize it, since it crawls much of the site every day).

The ODP has been very, very good to us.

ADDED:

being listed doesnt make a difference unless your page title appears within the first 100 results for the category.

I hear you. Google only picks up the first 100 links on a page, so if you're listed way down in a massive dmoz cat, it won't help. You have to choose your category well.

[dirkz]

> We just submitted to one ODP cat, and the Yahoo Directory. It's all been blue-skies since then.

Give us a lesson of SEO mastery :)

[coconutz]

>>Google only picks up the first 100 links on a page, so if you're listed way down in a massive dmoz cat, it won't help.

Urban myth and nothing more.

[ChrisKud5]

"I hear you. Google only picks up the first 100 links on a page, so if you're listed way down in a massive dmoz cat, it won't help. You have to choose your category well. "

VERY MUCH an Urban Myth. I have numerous personal examples.

Who comes up with this stuff?

[dirkz]

> Who comes up with this stuff?

GoogleGuy in #11?

[webmasterworld.com...]

[Stefan]

Ok, it's partially urban myth. If the page is under 101 k, and there are over 100 links, then I guess they'll be found, but being in a dmoz category with over 100 listings isn't the best place to be.

Here's another urban myth, "a dmoz link is like any other". If it were, we wouldn't be in Overture and Ink.

Dirkz, glad you like my SEO technique. Get a few good backlinks, create a lot of pages, with a lot of content, in a relatively uncompetitive field, then sit back and watch the hits, (and cave reports), roll in... :-)

[a_chameleon]

I wrote-

Lycos is pretty easy to get into, using the paid "Insite" spidering deal (cheap) and once there, it's almost a given Gbot will find you.

Dirkz replied -

How so?

I dunno, exactly and would be postulating If I said i did.

I just know I use the "Insite" program with new sites, (which isn't paid inclusion, it's only "paid spidering") and Google finds 'em PDQ. In fact, in some instances Google used the same page i gave Insite for it's listing..