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5:31 am on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"kw -fwefer [webmasterworld.com]" now returns the same result as "kw". at least from here in Singapore. anyone else see it?
5:41 am on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

I noticed that Google just removed the effect of using the double minus (ex. purple widgets -fff -ggg) to see what sites are being filtered by it's new algorithm. It's a shame because actually I found that using the double minus produced relevent results. Now for me Google is useless.

7:23 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone figured a way to see these results again?
7:31 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Has anyone figured a way to see these results again?

You have to use a "real" word.

-nonsense works

"supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" is a word.

7:59 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Actually real words don't work either. Thanks for suggestion though.
8:06 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yep, doesn't work here in USA either. It was working just the other day! Ugh!
8:10 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So, they disabled advanced search features?

Wow..talk about an "improvement".

8:13 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>So, they disabled advanced search features?

If you are talking about doing a search with say, widgets -blue, it still gives results with the webpages containing widgets and not containing blue.

8:20 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>If you are talking about doing a search with say, widgets -blue, it still gives results with the webpages containing widgets and not containing blue.

Thats what I am seeing as well, the whole "-nonsense word pre-filter" or whatever folks were calling it, is just a function of advanced search, the only recent change that I saw was that you have to use an actual word as opposed to "-hjgadhjkkk".

Just what I am seeing here.

3:09 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The -gibberish thing is working again.
4:42 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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steveb,

You are seeing something I'm not. It still doesn't work.

6:32 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I agree with steveb -nonsense is working. I am seeing SERPs from India.
12:04 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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yes
its not working here no more, too
11:31 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hmm, Google has 12 different datacentrs. It might be working on some and not on others.

Have you tried any datacentres directly? Using www.google.com uses a random datacentre each time.

11:41 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just checked and it doesn't to work on any of the datacenters.
11:31 am on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have closely been monitoring Google's filter and have started to see them relaxing the filter. Here is some proof.

Below is a history of how many sites have been filtered from the top 100.

Here is the term "online keyword".

December 06: 58 online keyword
December 07: 41 online keyword
December 08: 41 online keyword
December 09: 41 online keyword
December 10: 41 online keyword
December 11: 2 online keyword

If this holds out, many of the "dropped" sites should come right back.

Anyone else seeing this? Is life back to normal?

[edited by: vitaplease at 12:09 pm (utc) on Dec. 11, 2003]
[edit reason] made less specific [/edit]

8:27 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have not seen any reduction of the OOP for my site that got hit. From my experience the major changes (links, PR, etc) only change with the major update so I am not expecting to see anything major happen until then anyway.

This is of course assuming that Florida was not just a fluke and that we will go back to monthly updates in the future.

9:36 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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But there is another new filter up at http://www-in.google.com
10:15 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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there has been LOTS of talk about -IN lately, but my SERPS are almost identical to other datacenters...and still no sign of my 'missing' sites.
10:17 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I hope something gets modified soon. I am perplexed that several of my pages are being found for keywords which they barely touch on and yet for keywords the same pages are specifically about, those pages are no longer in the running. Who does this actually benefit?
2:54 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)



I have closely been monitoring Google's filter and have started to see them relaxing the filter. Here is some proof.

You mean "Here is some" findings don't you? Also, while many who have suffered via Florida take comfort in saying there is a "Filter" in place, it is by no means fact or been proven.

3:04 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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while many who have suffered via Florida take comfort in saying there is a "Filter" in place, it is by no means fact or been proven.

The word "filter" is just a word. However, it is a fact that things have changed dramatically....I'm guessing you weren't hit.

-Chris

3:16 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I_am_back, did you do much testing while the filter tests were working?

I was convinced in September, but then the affects were not nearly so widespread as post-Florida.

4:51 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)



However, it is a fact that things have changed dramatically

Yes it is, by the "filter" is not.

I'm guessing you weren't hit

Yes and no. As I constantly add content pages some pages went up while others went down, overall we did well. Yes our site is a commercial one and yes we sell software, so the "money terms" theory doesn't wash with me either.

I_am_back, did you do much testing while the filter tests were working?

I don't waste my time. I would rather focus on adding content than running around in circles. There are 3.6 billion pages so any 'good' testing would take FAR too long and probably still prove little.

5:03 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> Google finally decides to relax it's filter?

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I tend to believe it is only temporarily and partially and hope I'm wrong. It seems to me that G never trash this type of algo as seen in Florida but keep on improving it. For ex. Dominic is the advance version of Sept 02 and Florida is the advance one of Dominic. If Florida is still not good enough, perhaps we'll see more index pages return but be aware of the next version that could be rolled out within the next couple of months or in the next 6-7 months. Just my thought.

5:20 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Why is everyone so adamant about distinguishing that florida is or isn't a new algorithm or filter? An algorithm is a filter, and a filter is an algorithm. That is, it is a set of rules that determine what pages get to rise above the noise of the other few billion pages.

For example, PageRank, Google's seminal algorithm/filter's rules give a higher score to the pages that have more incoming links. Links are viewed as votes and are determined by people. PageRank is one algorithm in the broader category of research called collaboritive filtering [jamesthornton.com] or value filtering.

5:41 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)



Why is everyone so adamant about distinguishing that florida is or isn't a new algorithm or filter?

To me these are 2 seperate things. An algorithm is used to determine your page ranking position in the SERP's. A filter is used to omit certain sites from the SERP's based on a criteria. Just like when you use a negative keyword, your are filtering out that keyword.

5:49 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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In this context, the filter affects the ranking of the URL for given search phrases.

Because it can be rather severe, some pages are off the bottom of the visible results so they can look like they're missing altogether.

5:54 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes and no. As I constantly add content pages some pages went up while others went down, overall we did well. Yes our site is a commercial one and yes we sell software, so the "money terms" theory doesn't wash with me either.
Yes, keep adding content and then cross link it. That is definitely the way to go.
5:56 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)



I can only see a filter stopping certain pages from showing alltogether in the SERP's. This may then actually help *push up* the other sites that do not meet the "filter" criteria.

I cannot see how a page (that meets a filter criteria) can be pushed *down*. It's either filtered out or it's not. Standard database filtering!

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