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I noticed that Google just removed the effect of using the double minus (ex. purple widgets -fff -ggg) to see what sites are being filtered by it's new algorithm. It's a shame because actually I found that using the double minus produced relevent results. Now for me Google is useless.
You have to use a "real" word.
-nonsense works
"supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" is a word.
Wow..talk about an "improvement".
If you are talking about doing a search with say, widgets -blue, it still gives results with the webpages containing widgets and not containing blue.
Thats what I am seeing as well, the whole "-nonsense word pre-filter" or whatever folks were calling it, is just a function of advanced search, the only recent change that I saw was that you have to use an actual word as opposed to "-hjgadhjkkk".
Just what I am seeing here.
You are seeing something I'm not. It still doesn't work.
Have you tried any datacentres directly? Using www.google.com uses a random datacentre each time.
Below is a history of how many sites have been filtered from the top 100.
Here is the term "online keyword".
December 06: 58 online keyword
December 07: 41 online keyword
December 08: 41 online keyword
December 09: 41 online keyword
December 10: 41 online keyword
December 11: 2 online keyword
If this holds out, many of the "dropped" sites should come right back.
Anyone else seeing this? Is life back to normal?
[edited by: vitaplease at 12:09 pm (utc) on Dec. 11, 2003]
[edit reason] made less specific [/edit]
This is of course assuming that Florida was not just a fluke and that we will go back to monthly updates in the future.
I have closely been monitoring Google's filter and have started to see them relaxing the filter. Here is some proof.
You mean "Here is some" findings don't you? Also, while many who have suffered via Florida take comfort in saying there is a "Filter" in place, it is by no means fact or been proven.
while many who have suffered via Florida take comfort in saying there is a "Filter" in place, it is by no means fact or been proven.
The word "filter" is just a word. However, it is a fact that things have changed dramatically....I'm guessing you weren't hit.
-Chris
I was convinced in September, but then the affects were not nearly so widespread as post-Florida.
However, it is a fact that things have changed dramatically
Yes it is, by the "filter" is not.
I'm guessing you weren't hit
Yes and no. As I constantly add content pages some pages went up while others went down, overall we did well. Yes our site is a commercial one and yes we sell software, so the "money terms" theory doesn't wash with me either.
I_am_back, did you do much testing while the filter tests were working?
I don't waste my time. I would rather focus on adding content than running around in circles. There are 3.6 billion pages so any 'good' testing would take FAR too long and probably still prove little.
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I tend to believe it is only temporarily and partially and hope I'm wrong. It seems to me that G never trash this type of algo as seen in Florida but keep on improving it. For ex. Dominic is the advance version of Sept 02 and Florida is the advance one of Dominic. If Florida is still not good enough, perhaps we'll see more index pages return but be aware of the next version that could be rolled out within the next couple of months or in the next 6-7 months. Just my thought.
For example, PageRank, Google's seminal algorithm/filter's rules give a higher score to the pages that have more incoming links. Links are viewed as votes and are determined by people. PageRank is one algorithm in the broader category of research called collaboritive filtering [jamesthornton.com] or value filtering.
Why is everyone so adamant about distinguishing that florida is or isn't a new algorithm or filter?
To me these are 2 seperate things. An algorithm is used to determine your page ranking position in the SERP's. A filter is used to omit certain sites from the SERP's based on a criteria. Just like when you use a negative keyword, your are filtering out that keyword.
Because it can be rather severe, some pages are off the bottom of the visible results so they can look like they're missing altogether.
Yes and no. As I constantly add content pages some pages went up while others went down, overall we did well. Yes our site is a commercial one and yes we sell software, so the "money terms" theory doesn't wash with me either.Yes, keep adding content and then cross link it. That is definitely the way to go.
I cannot see how a page (that meets a filter criteria) can be pushed *down*. It's either filtered out or it's not. Standard database filtering!
