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The strangest Google behaviour

         

PeterJane

8:13 pm on Dec 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hy! My name is Eduard, I'm from Romania, I have graduated the Faculty of Computers and I am also a young webmaster (since about 1 year), I have a web site which is my own business, created and promoted by me and one of my colleagues. All the things I've done has been well done... until I add my web site URL in Google. Then the headaches start for me because the things happened with my web site were like genetic experiments for Google. Today I'm somebody, a good friend maybe, tomorrow I'm totally someone else, a stranger or even more, an unforgiven enemy.

My web site has been no.1 a few months ago for 5-10 search terms. Then we fall in SERPs very much and many of our pages has been dropped from the index. The strange and awful thing is Google refused to include us back and refused to consider our outbound links anymore in his PR calculations all those months. So, for a few months we have PR 0 even if we had a lot of links pointing to our web site, one even from DMOZ, others from directories and related sites (which have PR 4 or 5). Our appearance in SERPs is actually in according to this PR 0: almost non-existent.

The situation is also very strange and awful because it appears that our main page is still the only one in Google's index - that's when we search for our domain name - but if we want to include Google's Search Engine in our web site by setting the online tool (http://services.google.com/cobrand/free_select) for us, it gives us a message saying we have no permission to do that because we have no pages in Google's index (not even one). So which one of the two Google's tools is right and which one is wrong? And this anomaly is not temporally, this is the situation since months. Besides, in our google cahe the index page has no PR (gray in the bar actually) but in the Toolbar appears to be 0.

We have high listings in MSN, AltaVista, Excite, HotBot, etc... we are in DMOZ and mirror pages of DMOZ and also in local (Romanian) directories, We have to mention that our web site is actually optimized (I mean the pages are very well structured and the keywords are there!). Also we want to mention that our web site's content has been stolen (plagiarism) three times - once we had a page form our site placed (above our wish) on other webmaster's web site where the text in our page was wrote with a black font color on a black background with links to our site - we know it's hard to believe in such practices from unscrupulous competitors but this is the whole truth! The very bad thing is that Google seems to be easily foolished by such games and when he makes a decission he never take back his words!

Beyond the Google's behavior we try to understand why a popular web site and also with a friendly navigation system, marketing campaign and message to the end user would ever be penalized in such an awful way. Properly, a web site should be thoroughly considered and optimized for a number of factors - aesthetics, usability, searchability, sales conversions, etc... I think it is exactly the case of the web site I talk about. I worked hard to implement it, no tricks, no gimmicks, no reciprocal links, no link farms, site listed also in DMOZ (and Google still refuse to see it), etc... It was no. 1 for a lot of keywords a few months ago, I just don't understand why it was dropped from SERPs to never go back.

Please help me one way or another!

Thank you for taken your time to read my post.

Eduard.

kaled

11:07 am on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I don't really have the expertise to help much with problems of this sort. However, perhaps you should check that your host has not banned Googlebot - this has happened to other people.

You could email google - I think I've seen people state here that you should set subject = reinclusion request if you think you've been banned. If you do this, make your email as short as possible - these people are probably very busy. However, do explain that STOLEN content was placed placed in hidden text by another webmaster. This may get their attention - if this is the cause of the problem they will want to fix it.

Good luck,

Kaled.

I_am_back

11:23 am on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)



Welecome Eduard

Google refused to include us back

What did they state as the reason?

Quite honestly the *only ones* that can give you a factual answer is Google. I would, as already suggested, simply email them and ask.

You will only gets guesses and the word "Florida" in here at present.

Total Paranoia

12:23 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Hi PeterJane,

Thanks for stickying the URL to me. Not really a lot wrong with it and it actually is in googles index.

However -

Don't worry about google not showing any of your backlinks. Some they filter and some they count but just do not show.

You should be more concerned over the fact that only your index page is in googles index so googlebot is not crawling your whole web site.

Your code contains a lot of empty <font> tags. You could reduce the page loading time and make it a little more google freindy by using an external css file to add styles to the fonts but to be honest that shouldn't hinder results by too much.

If the site is 3 months old or less you'll need to be more patient or get more links to the site so google visits more often. Try to get links from sites that compliment your market or have a similar theme.

I find that you are putting too many keywords in your hyperlinks. It is not obvious to your users that they can click on the whole description area (you seem to hide that fact) to go through to the linked page. Try to only put a few words in the hyperlinks (keywords if it makes sense to your users) and if you need a description as well do not hyperlink it.

Hope you find this to be of some use.

T_P

PeterJane

7:37 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Thanks for your objective answer. You're right with the links. I have to tell you I used Front Page to edit the HTML documents so when I removed a piece of text, the font tags remained unused. And I use CSS a lot. In fact I have a huge one. Without it, my pages look very changed and different. With it I implement absolute positioning so the text can appear in front of any image or javascript. I guess you already saw this. I hope Google has also a point of view too. When Google will tell me anything, I'll post his response here.

See you.

kaled

10:07 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Ignoring the CSS files, is any text invisible, or have low visibility (very small size or low contrast to the background)? Generally, robots ignore CSS files and Google may apply penalties for what it perceives is hidden text even if it is not when the CSS file is used.

Kaled.