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Introduction
As many others, one of my index pages was effected by recent changes of the Florida update. I made several examinations which show that anchor text for numerous links to this site is completely removed. This seems to be new and couldn’t be explained by most of the theories mentioned elsewhere. I would like to analyze this phenomenon. (I don’t want to solve the whole ‘index page missed’ problem, just one special part of this discussion. Probably there are additional reasons which caused the recent changes.)
Details/Facts
Here is a summery of the most important facts.
The affected index page
Moreover, the index page
Conclusions
The examinations show that links from the same page count as anchor text for our german page while they are filtered out for the english version. Therefore, the filter (or whatever) isn’t related to the page with the links but is caused by the links.
I guess that this is some kind of filter, although I cannot rule out that this is just a bug. At least I wouldn't call this a change in the algorithm because not only the weight is changed but they are completely removed. (However, finally the name of this behaviour (filter, penalty, bug, tweak, ...) doesn't matter. The task is to find out the points which trigger this filter.)
There are some theories which would explain the observed behaviour for the pages mentioned. However, before drawing conclusions I’m looking for additional data which confirm or rule out these theories.
Outlook
I’m trying to collect facts about this behaviour. Therefore, I'm looking for other pages/sites which show a similar behaviour, i.e. pages which are not affected by a change in PR or shown back links while allinanchor and the ranking show significant changes.
Comments are welcome, if
- you are affected by this kind of phenomenon
- you have additional facts
Please avoid
- the mixing with other topics. Probably there are more than one reasons for missing/dropped index pages. This thread is just about one special phenomenon. There are several other threads discussing other aspects of the Florida update.
- forejudging
- obscure theories
In the case described above, the page is not removed from the index (see point 4: "is at the old position for keyword1 keyword2 keyword3"). Just the anchor text seems to be removed completely.
I believe that it is the same filter just less harshly applied.
One odd thing however - my home page is coming up for "keyword1", the ranking is not affected. If "keyword1 keyword2" is affected, you would expect "keyword1" to be affected as well, wouldn´t you? This can only mean that the filter (or whatever is causing this) ignores single keywords, it only affects phrases.
Just a small piece of the puzzle, but I thought it might help.
If you now look at the cached version of the Current #1 site, Google reports that: "These terms only appear in links pointing to this page: keyword1 keywords2"
keyword1 keywords2 in Title - once
keyword1 keywords2 in meta description - once
keyword1 keywords2 in meta keywords - once
keyword1 keywords2 in alt tags - twice
There is NO CONTENT on the page. The page is a graphic.
I have been comparing the 3 remaining commercial sites and found only two differences between theirs and mine. I am not suggesting that these two reasons are any conspiracy or anything crazy,...just differences.
1. My site (and the others that were dropped) are all listed in the Google/dmoz Directory. The others are not.
2. The sites that survived do not use H1 tags.
We have similiar keyword densitys, same use throughout the site, similiar backlink numbers, PR, and all use company name (different than the key1 key2 key3 search phrase)for the anchor text on the incoming links.
[edited by: vbjaeger at 3:45 pm (utc) on Dec. 1, 2003]
Reading your post I thought you were evaluating my site. I originally posted this elsewhere but seems to fit your topic perfectly.
I have a site that has 1000+ pages indexed (PR6 Home page and nav pages). Each page in the site had a text link that had a super competitive two word phrase. Pre-Florida I was #9 out of almost 15,000,000 and dominiated any "two word + region" I worked at. From my point of view, I suspect that I got ousted because of 1000+ text links with "one of those phrases" filtered, penalized,...whatever.
My guess for being ousted is that G may have determined that because such a high percentage (possibly artificially high) number of text links has the super duper two keyword phrase, my site tripped the Google meter for that phrase and poof.
The only difference between what you have described and my evaluation is that the allinanchor has not disappeared, showing 500+ backlinks, and site is fairly new 3mths.
Just for clarification:
I'm looking for links which appear as back links and transferring PR but where the target page don't show up for allinanchor, i.e. anchor text seems to be filtered out (some some links while other links from the same page are not affected). The links should be old an unchanged for a long time. Any such an example is welcome.
There are numerous other pages/sites affected by the recent changes with similar characteristics, but with a significant difference: they are still showing up for allinanchor. These problems might be related, but I'm just looking for the case mentioned before (to find out the circumstances that lead to this behaviour).
I have text links with unique words (i.e. they are just used once as anchor text) which don't show up for allinanchor. Even allinanchor:companyname doesn't show this page.
<One odd thing however - my home page is coming up for "keyword1", the ranking is not affected. If "keyword1 keyword2" is affected, you would expect "keyword1" to be affected as well, wouldn´t you? This can only mean that the filter (or whatever is causing this) ignores single keywords, it only affects phrases.>
Just as a test I tried this on my site that got hit by this index page disaster.
In my industry the main search is keyword1 keyword2. There would not be anybody who would even remotely consider using keyword1 to find any information about my industry. In fact in my logs I have never, over 2 years, received a search engine referal for keyword1 only.
When I search for keyword1 all the results are my industry related. My index page appeared same as pre-Florida. That is quite unbelievable. It seems to show the same results I get when I search for keyword1 keyword2 -hdjdlfg
novice
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I have sticky you the Site and KW1 KW2
Google LocalRank is partially kicking in. You have all your backlinks from your own sites (I assume this from the same IPs of sites and you do not do link exchange).
In LocalRank, links worth nothing is they are from your own sites, which can be confirmed or assume by
1. the whois information of the domains
2. the IP range
That's might possible be the reason why your anchor text form these sites are filtered, because they have a LocalRank of 0.
I have a destination travel guide site which I have optimized the index page: title, description, alt, header, and body text for 6 keywords: a 3-keyword phrase which is the name of my city, e.g., "My Great City" followed by 3 lodging type keywords, e.g., hotels, motels and condos.
When I include all 6 keywords in allinanchor: i.e., my great city hotels motels condos, my index page comes up number 1. If I include the city name followed by 5 keywords, e.g., my great city hotels motels, my index page still comes up number 1. If, however, I only include the city name followed by one lodging keyword, my index page is not to be found.
If I conduct a search using all 6 keywords, my index page comes up number 1, however if I us less that the total 6 words my index page is not found. Before the Florida update my index page would appear in the top 5 for a search on the city name followed by any one of the lodging keywords.
I doubt that LocalRank is the reason. Our german and english domain have the same IP as well as the same whois information. Therefore, if the anchor text of a page linking to our english domain is filter out I would expect that anchor text is also filtered out for links to the german domain. However, that is not the case. Also, there are at least a few links to our english page which are not even in the same IP range.
There are some theories which would explain this behaviour, however I need other examples to confirm or rule out these theories.
We have a good mix of incoming links and internal links. Some of them contain our 3 keyword phrase and some simply use our company name. Most of my competitors sites that have also dropped from the index use the same strategy that I do.
However, 3 competing sites that survived Florida also use the same linking strategy.
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Josh
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no duh.
I can't believe nobody has any real answers to figuring out this stupid Google algo. And I'm really ticked at those that know the algo secret and aren't sharing!
The only evidence is SERP's are full of directories
"Be the ball, Danny".
Or pay those that are already the ball.
Heck, I'm sending out mails with current serps to those directories in Kalamazoo that I sent a few bucks to, that they need to be paying me for letting them link to me. ;)
I sell software
When you search for
softwarebrand
the title-specific site does NOT come up, although it used to be VERY well ranked
When you search for
softwarebrand 5 (latest version) it still does not come up
When you search for
softwarebrand 5.0 it comes up first. It is like the '.' foils the filter or something
Does this 'click' with anyone?
