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textex

1:08 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am beginning to worry. I have two new sites, one developed mid-August, the other mid-September. I have traded links for these sites extensively from time of development completion till present. These sites still have no pagerank and one is still not indexed.

Both of these sites were previously owned. But neither show any links at ATW and the archive of both shows a re-drect to an affiliate link for one and a one page site for the other.

I added new pages within the last month to other sites and these new pages all picked up PR in this last PR update.

Do new sites take longer? Should I be concerned?

Gert_Jan

3:23 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No you shouldn'y worry. Google will probably be a bit late, but I'm positive that they will spider them and give them PR

DerekH

9:02 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi textex

No, don't be worried. I put up a new site for a local organisation three months ago, and only the home page has made it into the index so far.

These things take time, but once Google starts to add the other pages, the distribution of PageRank around your site will elevate one or more pages above the others, and this will get them indexed more frequently - it just needs time to build up this initial momentum first.

DerekH

cabbie

9:07 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Both of these sites were previously owned.
I would be worried.Its quite possible to have a expired domain penalty.Email webmaster@google.com with "reinclusion request" in the subject line and explain the situation.

textex

9:14 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What exactly is the expired domain penalty?

Should I email both URLS in the same request?

These domains have not been owned for quite some time? Does it matter?

cabbie

11:16 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There is plenty of stuff in WW on expired domain penaltys.I suggest do a search so as to get a good overview.
Do separate emails and send 1 with both together.

textex

12:09 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Once I ask for reinclusion? And hopefully it is granted...
What happens to all of the links I have already swapped for? Will they count?

dirkz

2:03 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I would also worry about both sites. This is too much time even for Google with her yearly cycle.

I don't think it's an expired domain problem. This would basically mean that old backlinks are thrown away, but new ones are counted. But in this case even the new links are taking too much time.

If several pages of the one site are indexed it should be allright, though. Check the SERPs for your keywords.

textex

2:40 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Index page of one site is in index but not in SERPS.

When I click the "contain the term" link, one more page is returned in results like so:

www.mysite.com/page.htm - 6k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

What is this "Supplemental Result"?

The other site is not reutrned in results but when I click the "contain the term" link, the IP of the index page is returned in results.

What is going on?!?!?

claus

3:12 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Supplemental results are pages that have been crawled but not yet indexed or rather: They have not yet made it to the "live" index.

The IP-only page is a strange one - do you have links pointing to your IP and not your domain name?


Added: Googles own explanation of supplemental results:
Supplemental Result
Google augments results for difficult queries by searching a supplemental collection of web pages. Results from this index are marked in green as "Supplemental."
http://www.google.com/help/interpret.html

[edited by: claus at 3:31 pm (utc) on Oct. 28, 2003]

textex

3:28 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No sites poiting to IP of the site in question.

Any theories?

textex

4:55 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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In regards to the Supplemental listing thing:

I clicked on the "contain the term" link. This would cause "Google to augment results for difficult queries by searching a supplemental collection of web pages."?

textex

10:57 pm on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How will this issue affect my indexing with INK? Will it affect it at all?

claus

11:06 am on Oct 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> I clicked on the "contain the term" link. This would cause "Google to augment results
>> for difficult queries by searching a supplemental collection of web pages."?

It seems so - in this case. The term must be one that is not otherwise found in body text. In other cases the "contain the term" would be body text.

Afaik, the supplemental collection is searched only when no other methods provide sufficient results - i have gotten results from it a few times, and they are usually just the ones i'm looking for, but you can't really force the results to be from the SupCol if other pages (not form SupCol) are found.

I'm not entirely sure that all pages in that collection will make it to the live index sometime. Afaik, these supplemental pages can be anything, probably including pages that the SE would prefer not to have in it's index in the first place. Probably also including perfectly innocent pages that just haven't been indexed properly for some odd reason.

As for the IP: I often see pr0n sites using IPs in stead of domain names. That was the reason for my question - if it's an old pr0n IP, then some links may still be around, even though you can't see them - the "link:" command in both ATW and Google does not necessarily show everything, and in that particular field no other commands seem to return everything either.

<ramble class="short">which is a p.i.t.a. sometimes</ramble>

/claus

textex

11:55 am on Oct 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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In regards to the IP, should I ask my host to asign me a new IP?

CCowboy

12:18 am on Oct 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just saw my PR For a new site show up a few minutes ago.

Site is around 30 days old.

textex

2:59 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I recenlty requested reinclusion for one of my sites. How long can it take for me to see my site back in SERPS?