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Every three weeks google goes through a 'major update' - today is the day for it.
There is a 'sub-major update' weekly. And then 'minor updates' almost daily (what may be considered 'fresh updates')
Listings change gradually with the 'minor updates'. I suspect they are either mixing in local page rank updates (based on fresh crawls) or slowly combining the old and new indexes over that period to avoid webmaster upset.
If next week your total site serp referrals goes up (from 'minor updates' that is, or between 'sub-major updates' not from tonights 'major update'), that will likely continue for the next three weeks. If they go down, they will continue downward until the next 3 weeks until the next 'major update'.
This has been the pattern for about 4 months over many sites that I have seen. It happens like clockwork.
If next week your total site serp referrals goes up (from 'minor updates' that is, or between 'sub-major updates' not from tonights 'major update'), that will likely continue for the next three weeks. If they go down, they will continue downward until the next 3 weeks until the next 'major update'.
Either time flies very quickly or you had some deja vue. I think you are right that since the end of June there has been a fairly consistent pattern, but between March and late June it was chaos.
>If next week your total site serp referrals goes up (from 'minor updates' that is, or between 'sub-major updates' not from tonights 'major update'), that will likely continue for the next three weeks. If they go down, they will continue downward until the next 3 weeks until the next 'major update'.
I had to read this several times. But I think what you are saying is that "fresh sites" can gain or lose between major updates, but only powerful sites will see gains out of the major updates? (not sure that if any clearer than the way you wrote it ;) )
For me fresh is good, keep it fresh and you keep it high......no downside at all :)
Same is also true in most cases if you keep it "powerful" with large numbers of backlinks. That's a bit harder to achieve though ;)
Fresh updates occur most days.
"Deep" updates, yes, about every three weeks.
Pagerank updates also about every three weeks, but a different schedule.
My experience is that while the fresh updates can discover new pages, they don't "stick" unless they're continually refreshed, at least until the next big update.
SN
If next week your total site serp referrals goes up (from 'minor updates' that is, or between 'sub-major updates' not from tonights 'major update'), that will likely continue for the next three weeks. If they go down, they will continue downward until the next 3 weeks until the next 'major update'.
It is as though the trend in ranking is pre-determined at week 1 of the three week cycle - that is, they are just MIXING in results to the current results (or averaging rankings between the current and the new) in order to make a gradual change.
NOTE: This only applies for large sites ( > 5,000 uniques a day) with great keyword diversity. Smaller sites I've seen have a much more random pattern.
p.s. update? those dinosaurs still alive?
p.s. update? those dinosaurs still alive?
Yes. They are just shuffling the cards slowly.
Either time flies very quickly or you had some deja vue. I think you are right that since the end of June there has been a fairly consistent pattern, but between March and late June it was chaos.
Yes, right... three months - 4 update cycles - sorry.
p.s. update? those dinosaurs still alive?
Or am I missing something?
Val
[edited by: Freshman at 11:15 am (utc) on Sep. 9, 2003]
Two days ago (Sunday) Google came along and took just under half of my sites new pages (it's a pretty small site).
This seems to fit in with the pattern that Google will update existing content daily if the pages refresh that often. But will only go hunting out new pages every three weeks.
This seems to fit in with the pattern that Google will update existing content daily if the pages refresh that often. But will only go hunting out new pages every three weeks.
No, Google will pull new pages near-daily as long as they are linked to from a page that is being crawled daily and perhaps under other circumstances (submissions, toolbar, etc).
Reading one of the forums I thought that Google "dance" (that's what they call google major update) was dead and they only involved freshbot.
The dance IS dead... sort of. The 'major update' is not quite a dance - there is often very little noticable change before and after it for any particulair key phrase. I suspect that it is a recalculation or correction of the page rank estimates made on the fly during the sub-major and minor updates, and that the magnitude of the change depends on the accuracy of these local PR estimates.
[edited by: jcoronella at 7:48 pm (utc) on Sep. 9, 2003]
I don't understand or you're confused with another thread :)
No, Google will pull new pages near-daily as long as they are linked to from a page that is being crawled daily and perhaps under other circumstances (submissions, toolbar, etc).
My response:
The toolbar thing is "officially" a myth...
;)
Googleguy is on the record I believe in stating that visiting a page with a toolbar enabled browser doesn't give googlebot a heads up.
Some of us "officially" disagree.
Sorry to take the thread OT a bit jcoronella, I think I see your observations. Will keep a closer eye.
It's 13th today, except a jiggling tomorrow...
Four days ago I added a page which the way is linked will get pr4+, intended to rank as a separate section of site with different keywords, etc...
Today I had "daily" googlebot for the usual pages with fresh tags from 64.68.82.xxx (crawlerxx...) and this page was visited from 64.68.88.xxx (crawlxx...) alone.
It was like "out of schedule".
I read around here something about crawler/crawl but I thought it's pertinent.
p.s. update? those dinosaurs still alive?
Yes. They are just shuffling the cards slowly.
Thats funny, I look at it as if the cards are being dealt much faster.
Google does a middling update, it drops to 18th or 19th as "fresh" spam is introduced.
There are certain competitive categories where the usual sites have dropped way down in the serps. Could it be there is always a constant flow of fresh spam pushing back the sites that belong at the top?
>edit< Just checked - all data centres are now showing new results.
DaveN
My web site is jumping fron 4 to 12 ranking on a leyword in Google :)
This thread has some merit. Let's try not to forget about it and keep it updated over the next few weeks.
