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I have two important pages at my site, the home/index page, and the "lobby" of the store. Both are indexed, both are cached, no PR, no backlinks. I'm at a total loss as to what to do. Everyone keeps saying, "Be patient." I've been waiting, and never see any changes, even when this board is jumping with news that PR ranks are changing, serps are changing, etc.
Am I just totally clueless?
Currently, you can't trust the toolbar ...
Check sites behind you what pr they have.
Probably you'll noticed your site has pr but toolbar doesn't show it.
It's very common this days as you can see in several threads here.
i have like 5 sites with PR4 and PR5 and just getting less than 10 hits/day
well why is PR helpful?
The problem, the frustrations, I'm having are because the public has a perception about Google without the background knowledge that the rest of us do. They know enough now (through things like the recent article in USA Today) to know *what* Google is, and what Page Rank is. But they don't know that Google and PR are screwed up in many ways. So, the average person, looking to buy perhaps, comes to my shop and sees no PR. Does that inspire confidence? Does that make them want to put aside their reservations about ordering something via the Internet and place an order on my site? I don't think so. I shop the web myself, and I know I look at things like that...or used to. :(
That's what makes me angry and frustrated. There is a public perception out there about Google, but not the knowledge (or acknowledgement from Google) that there are problems with the system at present. And I beleive that is hurting businesses like mine, a small, start-up that struggles enough without Google adding to the situation.
My two cents.
Not sure why you're having such problems with getting your pages in Google, but losing potential customers due to PR0 on your home page seems kind of odd.
Most people, beyond being webmasters, don't know thing one about PR other than it is used to place sites in the index. Most people don't even have the Google Toolbar installed. Or have the PR feature turned on (it's off by default). I never heard of the toolbar or Google pagerank until I launched my own sites, and most other people I know are the same way.
Getting some PR is indeed important for your SE rankings, no doubt about that. But, as far as converting your actual sites visitors (unless your visitors are webmasters or your site is a SEO/Web Designer Site), I don't think you have much to worry about due to having a PR0.
Jim
They know enough now (through things like the recent article in USA Today) to know *what* Google is, and what Page Rank is. But they don't know that Google and PR are screwed up in many ways. So, the average person, looking to buy perhaps, comes to my shop and sees no PR. Does that inspire confidence?
I don't think my perception is that far off from the average Joe. You can test this out though very easily. Go to the mall and approach 12 different strangers (pick them in your target audience) and ask them to explain PR and how important it is to them. I suspect you'll find 10 of the 12 will not even know what you're talking about even after you explain it. Although many webmasters here seem to sweat over PR, I really don't think it's important to the average surfer.
I understand your frustration though. I don't know why you would still have a PR0 unless you did something maybe inadvertently to get yourself penalized. Why don't you write to Google and ask if your domain is on their blacklist.
Like others, I never heard of PageRank until I found this forum, and I've been working in the IT world for many years.
Go to the mall and approach 12 different strangers (pick them in your target audience) and ask them to explain PR and how important it is to them.
Again, just my view on the subject as seen from the back of the theater.
I think very few people know about PageRank.
Which is a big part of why doing very well in the serps in many areas of the web is pretty easy.
"I think very few people know about PageRank."
Wonder why some say 'ignorance is a bliss' :)
Was your sites name used before you had it?It might be fighting an expired domain penalty
I am having a similar problem with a site that I just set up. The company who owned the domain name had it parked and wouldn't transfer it to me. I waited for it to expire because it is natural domain name composed of a popular two word search term.
I had it parked myself for awhile. The 404 catcher routed all requests for it to the 404 error destination,which had a PR3 at the time. I finally got around to setting up the site around Dominic time. Two months later the domain was finally spidered and indexed. PR0. Now two months later it is showing recent cache results.
What is an expired domain penalty? Does it go into effect when a domain expires? When it is registered to someone else how long does the penalty remain in effect?
Prior to March an expired domain would retain all the backlinks it had before expiring.Buying expired domains was an easy way to get PR and good placings in Google's SERPS.
Google in its wisdom decided to fight this manipulation of its SERPS and removed all domains that had expired the previous 1 or 2 years from its index.Of course this was throwing out the baby with the bathwater and many good domains that had acquired good new links since being reregisted were harshly done by.Even now those domains are either still not in the index or so far down it does not matter.
The irony is recently expired domains(since April) seem to suffer no penalty at all.
You could ask google for reinclusion but I am not sure if that works or not.
Google Indexing work lots of strategy PR is one of them if your site have lots of inbound - outbound link so your site PR is normally high and you can also receive hits or visitor from that site who have your site's link and link popularity increase your site indexing in google,
Check your site link popularity
here important thing to do for PR
> Link: Quality link than Quantity link.
> Submit your linking page url in google too.
Here lots of thing to do for PR
[edited by: heini at 10:47 am (utc) on Sep. 1, 2003]
[edit reason] please don't drop urls, thank you! [/edit]
Forget patience. Google's now updating PR and SERPS regularly and if you're not appearing in the results then something is wrong somewhere.
There could be a number of reasons, from low PR to poor optimisation but it's hard to say without knowing the specifics.
If you don't hear back from Seeber01, sticky me your url and keywords and I'll take a look.
Mike
Forget patience. Google's now updating PR and SERPS regularly and if you're not appearing in the results then something is wrong somewhere.
Thanks, Mike. That's the way I look at it. I've acquired links from a PR6, two PR5s, several PR4s. Hasn't made a bit of difference. And I don't appear to be penalized. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
I appreciate the offer of assistance. :)
