Microsoft Front Page Boders and Google

If I use MS Frontpage borders will be indexed for each page?

[auinfo]

Sorry if this is a naive question but I have just brought Fronpage and will be redesigning my site shortly. Borders seem a good way to go but will Google see each page as if the border was part of that page or will they be missing? Are FP Borders frowned on in any way

Also FP offers various nav menus themes but are they indexable

Thanks in advance from a newbie bewbie

[anallawalla]

Welcome to Webmasterworld!

This is not a FP flame. I used FP for a couple of years after many years of hand coding but I knew nothing about SEO then.

I don't expect any problems getting FP pages indexed by Google - you will find many sites using FP.

But from the SEO perspective, FP puts in a lot of code that better authoring tools do not (for a similar situation), so you are adding an avoidable weight to your pages.

Ash

[auinfo]

Many thanks for the reply-I apologise if you thought I was trying to spam the use of FP!Microsoft don't need my help ..

Is there any facillity to get a review of a page?

Thanks for the help

[anallawalla]

From the ToS:

please No site review requests

You'll have to go to another board for that kind of request, but I think it's better that you learn as much as possible here and do your own evaluation.

Using a validator service will give you a clinical appraisal of your HTML, XML, CSS etc but I suspect that your FP pages might not pass. Using some of the tools on this site, e.g. Spider simulator, will help you better understand how a crawler sees your content, esp the links.

Getting 2-3 random comments from people might not necessarily give you the best answers.

Ash

[ciml]

Tools such as Sim Spider [searchengineworld.com] and text mode browsers such as Lynx are useful for seeing your content without CSS, Javascript, cookies, Flash, etc., so can be helpful in identifying potential search engine problems.

[TheDave]

The frontpage borders are included in the body of the page, even though they're not there when you view the source, and therefor spidered by google.

A side note about fp and my experience with it - Frontpage will spam your html with a lot of markup IF you're not careful. Avoid using inline styles - ie, selecting an element, click the style button then selecting an attribute, such as its background colour will put the style in the html. Instead create a stylesheet link, and use classes. If you stick to that, frontpage will give you minimal spam, which means overall page size reduction. Also, don't do things like drag table borders to size tables, or select their background colours in their properties dialog. Use CSS classes. I know it's not really google spidering related (until you get over 100k i think) but something to keep in mind.

[sit2510]

>>> Sorry if this is a naive question but I have just brought Fronpage and will be redesigning my site shortly. Borders seem a good way to go but will Google see each page as if the border was part of that page or will they be missing? Are FP Borders frowned on in any way.

Google has no problems with borders in FP nor the links on it. After you published your page, you may want to see the source code where border page and html links would be fully displayed and Google index and follow it.

[leedslad73]

Ive used FP for 2 yrs. It's passed html and css tests. Before FTP'ing your pages to the server have a check down the code for anything that looks dirty.

FP produces alot of dirty code which might hinder you.