#1 for allintitle, allinanchor, allintext , yet lost in SERPS, why?

[matuloo]

I have a domain that I want to rank for certain kw, it is up for about 2 months now, and when I do the allin... searches it comes up #1 for all 3 of them. However when I do a search for the kw itself the site is lost somewhere at #60. position.

Is that some sort of a penalty for overoptimizing or something like that?

[matuloo]

Nobody experienced anything simmilar to my situation?

[trillianjedi]

Nope, never experienced that.

Can you give us a bit more detail about your site? What your PR is, any penalties suspected etc?

TJ

[drewls]

I'm not experiencing it, but I have seen it happen. Not to #1 positions, but to ones in the top 5 for allinanchor, allintext, and allintitle. They rank nicely there, but are nowhere to be found in the serps.

The opposite is also true. I'm finding some things ranking high for seemingly no apparent reason. They have low PR, no ranking for any of the 'allins', yet they are in second place for a highly competitive search phrase. Either Google isn't showing us everything (even with the new backlink update) or these sites are there by mistake.

But who knows...maybe we're all just there by mistake. :)

[Spica]

matuloo:
my site was like that for a while during Dominic and Esmeralda. Then, it eventually showed up one day at its logical place in the SERPs, as suggested by the allinxxs rankings. It's been at this position since then, so you may just have to be patient. :)
Note: On the other hand, this same site now suffers from the "vanishing index page" phenomenon... :(. Hopefully, your site won't have as many problems.

[ScottM]

I'll concur with the Vanishing index page problem.

[dnbjason]

I am experiencing it now on one of my pages. I just posted it on a diiferent thread.

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[matuloo]

Ok, today the site moved up to position #15, hopefully it will go up even more. Moreover a strange thing happened with one of my subpages for that site, it was #1 for the same search term as I am trying to optimize the index page for, now it seems to be gone, but the main index page remained at #15.

BTW : the site is still relatively new, about 2 months old maybe, and still not completely indexed, only about 60% of the subpages are in the index by now, so I guess I will have to wait longer and see what happens.

[wingslevel]

I am seeing it with my sites. On one keyword that I was always top 5 (for years), I am now 215 - using allinanchor, I am 7 on the same phrase - go figure... Also some sites are ranking well that I can't even find in allinanchor (see the amazon thread for examples). Goes against everything that I thought I knew...

Problem is, and I am not saying this selfishly, the serps look bad on lots of my keywords. Some of the worst relevance I've seen on Google.

[martinibuster]

If the site is only 2 months old I wouldn't expect all that much. OTOH, what with the rolling update, it's also a little hard to say WHAT to expect nowadays.

Maybe I'm putting myself on the limb for some folks, because I really think for some people this will border on heresy: I am not convinced of the value of "allinanchor, allintext, and allintitle" as a way of determining how well a site is optimized. My sites easily romp over other sites that score way better than mine for those variables.

Another reason I discount those variables is that those are only three variables- whereas the true determinant- the Google algo, features around 100 variables.

I'm not saying people shouldn't use them as diagnostic tools, just that it's value is very limited- and that's why your site's actual ranking may not match the ranking according to those other variables.

That and the fact that it's only two months old- with the caveat that the recent changeover may have reduced that consideration from the equation.

Just a thought. :)