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Is this a side-effect of improved dynamic spidering, or have the web developers for the sites wised-up (en masse)?
Random forum posts and PDF's sometimes show up in the top 10 for words that are pricey at overture ($5+).
My hope is that this is just a temporary situation before the full update occurs.
I would like to see Google index PDF file differently.
Some times because of PDF being so big my computer has crashed trying to open the program and load the file.
In general the results are not good and its not about stats either, google may have the same number of PDF files or even Amazon pages but the fact remains that searching for hotel accommodation brings you nothing but PDF.
Their are too many different search results to list and would be pointless to list more as we all agree to the problem (well nearly all of us)
I also think the spidering of interactive url's will cause more problems. I do php programing and it would not be difficult for me to make loads of links forcing Google to crawl them and index the content. All the same content just in different locations and some different picture files etc.
So whats the answer?
Go back to basics, create great sites, get plenty of links and content.
If its not broke don't fix it!
That's the solution, Google you are trying to hard and you will ruin the quality and your perfect reputation.
Unfortunately the problem of the moment is that Google serps are having a problem... TODAY....
Also, from what I've heard, at least from GG, Google doesn't seem to believe that there is a problem with the current serps.... I see that as a MAJOR issue as only Google can fix this problem.
Where do we go from here? What can be done? What can I do?..We do?
Here my traduction : We have a maxime here in Quebec who tell :
"Pousse, mais pousse égale" who mean "push, but push-it equally".
In french "Livre" mean "book", but it is also a verb mening "to deliver".
Here is my french minute of WebmasterWorld ;-)
joined:July 2, 2003
Here here! That is the mistake of many large companies and businesses. Google is already number 1 and yet some head honcho at Google probably woke up one morning, or came back from a conference, with his/her head full ideas and decided to make his/her mark on Google.
Those that do not learn from history and over-run by it.
A week ago Google was #4 for "Google Box" even if in the page of Google Appliance's page, the word "box" was never there.
Now you can't find the Google Appliance page in the first 100 results for "google box".
Huge drop off and major change in algo ;-)
Hum... That's give me a idea. Should we write Adwords books for sell in Amazon, and few hundreds comparaison price pages for Adwords with Overture, Findwhat, Espotting to be listed in Epinion, Dealtime, etc ;-)))
I don't think Google is losing as much sleep over this as some others who rely on the income. Wait!... Before someone says that you can't rely on Google, or that Google owes us nothing.... I understand all that. However, in the real world this thing is really put the hurt on people.
It gets worse.
On the second page not only do we have PDF but we also get a DOC, windows 2000 word document.
Out of 2 pages (20 listings) their may be only 5 or 6 relative results. All listings are either in German, French, US patent laws, american society of eighteenth century studies, International Congress of the Musicological Society of Japan) and other really annoying pages, the second page has 2 PDF files and a DOC file being 'SLSA Annual Conference 2003' sorry what was the keywords I typed in again?
Come on guys, for the first time Google Guy really made me cross when he mentions that their stats are ok.
The problem is we will have to put up with this for sometime.
Cough Cough but I think Google, you are playing into Yahoo's hands, now they have an excuse to to turn you off and why not I am now more inclined to search else where.
But my point is Amazon has made a deal where they get access to 'Billions of web pages through Google's search results'...is it possible that such 'sponsored listings' or 'adwords' could boost someone into many top rankings 'inadvertently'?
As an ex-sales person there were many times when we would advise a customer how to adjust his business to take advantage of the benefits we offered - can anyone doubt that with a big deal in the making that the same would not happen at Google. They would then be able to remain with clean hands by saying that there was no direct intervention just a tweak of the knob that they do constantly.
Sure Amazon paid for their good ranking... by hiring a lot of talented people and putting a lot of good money and hard work into building a good site with a solid marketing campaign online and offline. Don't whine because you spend a fraction of what they do in marketing efforts and don't beat them in the rankings everytime, that's just silly.
Either get some capital and compete head on or develop a good niche where you can gain market share and rankings.
Either Google was broken until 2 weeks ago and it's now fixed so that Amazon dominate - or it was broken 2 weeks ago.
I'm with Iguana on this one. Why the sudden burst onto the scene? Is it the spidering of dynamic pages? The new deal with Google? New SEO on Amazon's part?
Also "get some capital and compete head to head"? I hope you're joking there. I'm sure less than 1% of people doing business on the web have that kind of capital.
Your above reference to capital of course begs an interesting question... Will big money end up completely dominating business on the web?
What we do say I don't think is really going to influence google. I do hope the attitude of Google is not of why shall we worry about upsetting a couple hundred of webmasters on WW when we already have a gross value of over some many hundreds of millions.
I am looking at my way of thinking of finding better deals and offers and how to you paid advertising to market all my web sites.
Its now time not too rely on Google any more, it was nice but things are too erratic and in business you don't need more turbulance.
Just my last posting on this thread had enough!
joined:Nov 20, 2000
>>It's simple SEO, not some conspiracy<<
The issue TheRealTerry is quality. A returns page packed with Amazon/Dealtime/Etc isn't what most searchers are actually looking for. One simple changed has deteriorated the SERPS massively.
[edited by: ciml at 6:05 pm (utc) on Aug. 13, 2003]
[edit reason] Let's all stick to the topic please. Thanks! [/edit]
As to the need for having the budget of Amazon to compete... you're darn right you need it. It takes money to build a site and more money to market it properly with SEO, etc... Time is not free. You don't attack a large company like that head on and not expect to get blown out of the water. Like I said, find a niche or find some capital. It's called a Free Market, not a Fair Market. Fair is a relative term, what's fair to you is not considered fair by Amazon who has spent the time, effort and money to build their business up and become successful. Why should people assume to be on a level playing field when they haven't invested the same time or money? I'm sorry, but the day success stops being earned (and earning the capital to help buy success is the same thing) is the day our fine Republic turns into rubble.
I don't believe that there is a conspiracy.
Do you believe that the search experience of the vast public majority benefits by domination of a few big companies?
What I'm saying is that Google in particular has built a reputation as "The peoples search engine". Following your logic it seems that Google should be a "big business serach engine", in which case Google will no longer enjoy the popularity or the success it has had in the past.
This isn't just about online economics. It is also about the future of Google, the future of online search and the futures of many of thousands of webmasters.
I see a problem with big companies dumping their millions of data fed, poorly organized and mirrored pages on Google. I think it's bad for the end user, bad for webmasters and utimately bad for Google.
Of course Amazon and others mentioned in the subject would excel on this point, but that is only part of the equation. Where is the quality? Take a look at some of the examples given. Although Amazon has millions of links to its site, and it deserves to come up in searches(like searching for a particular book), it has no place in the top 10 of a search just because it happens to have the phrase mentioned somewhere on the page. These results really in no way pertain to the search you are performing. That is the problem with many of these Amazon results, pdfs, docs, etc.
Now many of us have noticed, and we've tried to offer examples and our opinions. Bottomline: It doesn't matter one way or the other. Google can either check it out, and if they see something,make some changes or not. Either way the consumer will make the final judgement. I'm just following up b/c GG said he would give an answer one way or the other on at least the pdf/docs.
PS. I'm not sure what this says, but I've been a member of this forum for about 2 years, and I read it weekly (learned a lot btw). This is by far the most I've ever posted on one particular subject.
To stay in busines, Google must provide value to the searchers.
Since the beginning, they have had to re-think and re-engineer their formulas to make sure results are useful for the average searcher.
Things have changed, both within Google and outside.
Google must adapt!
Adaptation means, modification of their ranking formulas so that results continue to be relevant and appreciated by users
When people search using Google, they do not want to find eBay, Amazon, Dealtime, Epinions, or any other of the big guys.
People already know about them!
When the regular user goes to Google, he/she wants to find relevant content in rather smaller sites, specialized in the items they are looking for. If you want to shop large sites , go to a portal, there are plenty of those!
Google has been the best so far because it offered the user relevant results and the webmasters with a responsive reward to their Good site design practices (namely, content, structure, ease of navigation, usability, etc,)
If Google stops offering that, it will stop being the favorite SE for both users and webmasters.
Maybe I am wrong and people will simply start looking at results on page 2 or 3... 15.... only time will tell.
However, time in the internet runs very, very fast.
Please Google, hurry up and fix this mess!
Conspiracy theories... naah
Large companies with huge sites and big budgets absolutely deserve to be in the top spots if they have the content and links to back it up. A perfect example is the search example I gave; data storage. There are some giant data storage companies that deserve to be in the top 10 and beyond. There is absolutely no reason why Amazon should now occupy the two top spots (a change for the worse since yesterday). Not to mention the pdfs and docs that follow.
As far as the examples in these thread are concerned I do have a concern when results from different TLDs are given placements in the top 10 results. Doesn't make sense to have a single site's .co.uk , .co.in , .co.nz domains and various other subdomains dominate the SERPS. It's a QC issue which Google has to address sometime.
I'm waiting to see if they float out of the top, as most of them should....
If I run a search on Linksys routers, I get the linksys site first, and then just a bit below is this dreaded Amazon site. How horrible that a search for a product actually reveals a listing of where I can buy that product.
I guess I understand the complaint to be that Amazon listings are popping up under totally unrelated SERPs? I personally have never run across that, but too hear some people speak it's a rampant epidemic that's destroying Google's integrity. None of the "civies" I talk to seem to have this occuring to them, so I'm not seeing the justification for all this drama I suppose.
Maybe an example would help. One might have been given, but its kind of hard to find amongst the 18 pages of this thread!