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Never seen G so stable ...

Calm before the storm - consensus?

         

mat

6:10 pm on Jul 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Probably wont get past modding, but I haven't seen one single solitary shift in the results I regularly check for days - nothing, zip, identical on all data centers, all times of the day. It's getting dull.

Some think an update is in the wind - are people expecting big, possibly bad for some, changes?

It's too quiet out there.

GoogleGuy

10:08 pm on Aug 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi Seek, got the spam report--thanks! :) I'll read through it tonight..

Jakpot

10:59 am on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Stability? Has it magically returned?

seekanddestroy

11:58 am on Aug 8, 2003 (gmt 0)



No, I'm still having to play the refresh game sometimes.

8O(

Jakpot

8:42 am on Aug 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hope the Man can fix it

seekanddestroy

3:16 pm on Aug 9, 2003 (gmt 0)



Not yet, still broke.

edayle

4:36 am on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes Google is still very much broke. It just utterly amazes me how google can one day think my sites are "relevant" and the next day not.... What I mean is one day I will get over 10,000 uniques (all sites combined total) and the very next day around 500. Meanwhile googleguy runs around this forum saying everything is "ship shape"... Jeeze googleplex must now be ran by a combination of the keystone cops, marx bros, and the three stooges. I have had it!

seekanddestroy

8:42 am on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)



edayle - I think in fairness this kind of brokeness is much easier to see when you run a site or ten than when you index millions.

GG reckons that as a result of index pages being reported as playing appear after refresh games etc last time - he only received three spam reports with example sites!

I reckon they realise now though that it's borke - they'll have to investigate it and fix it Googlewide or else it's the kind of thing that could get much much worse at a later date and put them into a disaster scenario.

seekanddestroy

8:44 am on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)



edayle - also what you are describing is quite different from what GG, Jakpot and I have actually been talking about.

Sounds more like your sites are dropping in and out of the indes totally on a daily basis! Ouch!

Umbra

12:36 pm on Aug 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Today, I'm seeing extremely poor search results for a competitive keyword phrase. (Let's say the phrase is "widget store", just to translate it into "widgets" lingo.)

Ranking #2 is a CNN article describing a legal battle about a widget store suing another company. Why is it so relevant to earn 2nd place?

Ranking #3 seems to show one URL having hijacked another domain. The listing shows one domain (which is irrelevant to the search term) but the cache shows metatags and content for a completely different domain.

Ranking #5 seems to be an example of cloaking, because the cached page contains 100% keyword stuffing whereas the actual link leads to a completely different page.

Ranking #8 is another news article about a widgets retailer changing careers.

Meanwhile, all the commercial widget sites (which you'd expect to find if searching for "widget store") have either fallen drastically in rankings or disappeared altogether.

Which leads to another important question: why are spam sites and/or irrelevant sites allowed to appear in the public datacenters for such long periods of time? What happened to the good old days when spam sites only appeared in www2 and www3 during the Google Dance, and then got filtered out before the new index propagated to the other datacenters?

FiddleFadler

9:22 am on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Umbra - I am seeing exactly the same here in the UK, and
have been for a week now!

The top serps for my competitive keywords are filled by irrelevant internal pages, and all the main commercial sites that used to fill the top 10 places have taken a drastic drop in rankings.

Stuart

Powdork

9:34 am on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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To go all the way back to the original topic.
For the past week, have G ever been so unstable? I don't mean this in a bad way. For the serps I follow we saw minor changes filter through all the datacenters, an update in backlinks, more minor changes which now seem to be happening on an ongoing basis at different datacenters simultaneously. The comments are almost non existent because the changes IMO have become so minimal, gradual, and constantly occurring.

Jakpot

9:56 am on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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A wheel has run off the Google train and Google does not know it

onfire

10:17 am on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well i said something would happen this month and things have now started, with my backlinks being updated, the first real change since June 15th.

So come on Google lets get the rest finished /fixed

Has anybody seen their Backlinks & PR change or just the Backlinks?

Question is why has it taken so long if Google was or is supposed to be updating on the Fly!

Or was this more like a Traditional update where they have been out collecting and collecting and then just pushing out the changes out every 4 to 6 weeks?

But i really do hope this a sign of things to come and we can really see if the changes we make to our sites count or not.

drewls

11:30 am on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GG reckons that as a result of index pages being reported as playing appear after refresh games etc last time - he only received three spam reports with example sites!

That's ridiculous. At the very least, I offered to provide more examples. Not only in my spam report, but here on WW. Plus, there were a lot more people than 3 who were saying things like 'spam report sent'.

This is affecting a heck of a lot more than 3 sites, if GG didn't get enough examples to work with, all he has to do is say so and I'll be happy to oblige. I'm sure others will as well.

soapystar

12:17 pm on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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of course there was no comment about those three specific sites either. Even with a single spam report id have thought google would see a problem/bug that shouldnt be there. there seems to be a judgement that there can only be a problem if people complain about it rather than whether or not they know it to exsist. I'd have thought google would like to take action BEFORE more poeple complain once a single occurence has been brought to their attention. doesnt seem to be the case.

Fearless

12:53 pm on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Could you imagine what libraries would be like if the Dewey decimal system was run by a for-profit company that used secret listing criteria, which were subject to frequent arbitrary and capricious changes? And in order to boost its bottom line, took payments from publishers to feature some books at the expense of others? This is crazy.

Could you imagine if highway builders had to pay Rand McNally to get in the overwhelming majority of the country's maps and atlases?

The Internet is too valuable to our society, our economy and our culture to be so ill served.

Napoleon

1:27 pm on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)



Interesting that this is now starting to follow the trend of the other thread (Amazon), with significant disappointment in Google and the quality of the recent returns.

Like the Amazon page flood, the missing index problem also seems to be being greeted with apparent indifference from Google. It's as though they simply don't care: and if that is the case... misguided or arrogant, make your own mind up.

This isn't good at all: the mood at WebmasterWorld today often reflects the mood in the public arena tomorrow. This isn't a vacuum. The public WILL notice missing sites, Amazon right left and center, and general instability. When they do, many will start to look elsewhere for a better search experience.

I can't help but wonder what exactly is going on within Google. The attitude seems to have changed, the pride in the returns reduced.... it's road they may well end up regretting.

seekanddestroy

3:25 pm on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)



drewls - Googleguy has requested examples of 'refresh only' index pages - please send spam report of your affected sites if you haven't already.

bolitto

4:43 pm on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Googleguy has requested examples

I think GoogleGuy should be giving more, asking less.

Powdork

5:00 pm on Aug 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Could you imagine if highway builders had to pay Rand McNally to get in the overwhelming majority of the country's maps and atlases?

Rand McNally would be cheaper for us.

Could you imagine what libraries would be like if the Dewey decimal system was run by a for-profit company that used secret listing criteria, which were subject to frequent arbitrary and capricious changes?

Google is not a library. Here [ipl.org] is one. But can you imagine if they had to put up with people lying and cheating to get their book in?

And in order to boost its bottom line, took payments from publishers to feature some books at the expense of others? This is crazy.

Yes, that comment is crazy.

Jakpot

7:19 pm on Aug 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Stable?

drewls

7:27 pm on Aug 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>drewls - Googleguy has requested examples of 'refresh only' index pages - please send spam report of your affected sites if you haven't already. >>

I know he did. I sent him one already. I'll send more if he says he needs more. It shouldn't take seeing every affected site to figure out the problem, but if he needs more, I'm glad to oblige. It would be nice to hear SOMETHING about it from him though.

GranPops

7:37 pm on Aug 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Dance is on

mrguy

8:02 pm on Aug 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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OK,

I'm finally seeing the strange results others are talking about.

PDF files where they really shouldn't be, flucating serps on refresh, etc...

I guess someone at the Googleplex is not done tweaking that darn knob!

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