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2. Pagerank is all but finished, and in the next toolbar update it will be removed.
3. Incoming links will be changed once in a while but will have no affect on the SERP's due to no.1
What does everyone think to 1,2 and 3?
Yes, No or maybe?
2. Pagerank is all but finished, and in the next toolbar update it will be removed.
How can PR be finished, when it's the very foundation of Google? And how do we know that there will ever again be a "next update" in the same sense that we've come to know updates?
Then, secondly:
1. The continuous google update has began and there will be no more monthly updates.
Quite possibly, and it sure does look that way, doesn't it? But let's face it, that doesn't preclude the inclusion of PR as a pertinent factor, and for that matter anchor text, in computing a given page's position in the SERPs.
We'll all need to be very careful in the assumptions we make, more so than ever before.
Pagerank is all but finished, and in the next toolbar update it will be removed
We do know that Google is updating on a regular basis now, but what about the PR factor. When do you speculate that it will update: once a month as previously or perhaps in future, more frequently & possibly weekly.
A traditional update will be coming any day now.
All you see is a deeper freshbot.
Pagerank is all but finished, and in the next toolbar update it will be removed.
Will it be done in a segmented fashion, based on broad sectors of keyword sets a section at a time? How close are we coming to seeing topical PR calculations?
Now that we can no longer see anything, anything at all is possible - and how will we know if major changes happen down the road, or even if they're happening right now?
but here is my question - is pr check even remotelly usable now? my site is back to results but pr is 0 for all pages.then i have one good site and 3 months old new pages have pr 0 too.also tons of sites i visit have pr 0 and they are in top results..so the main reason why i use PR tool(to check pr on sites that i will link to or they link to me) is no longer reliable - that is so for FEW months now.
so:
1.yes, no more monthly updates
2.could be.
[edited by: JonB at 10:30 am (utc) on July 30, 2003]
If PR really is a method of evaluation no matter how controversial all methods of evaluation take time, and points need to be earned over that time.
Dave
This came following some very turbulent times and a few weeks after this, SERP's returned to something like normal.
When I say normal, I do not mean just my own rankings.
Hence, I feel it is too early to suggest there will be no normal update, it might be just around the corner!
PR & backlinks have to be factored in - when they are SERPS will change.
Yes, SERPS have been fluctuating over the past week or so, but what's new with that - things have been moving around for months now.
My opinion, Sit tight and wait!
One of my websites had zero backlinks so I added about 50 links (pr4 and above) a week after the last update, all having the same anchor text. Starting yesterday, if you do a allinanchor: search on the keywords in the anchor text it ranks very well. But when you do a link: search on that page it stills says zero.
Same thing on another one of my websites.
I'd be inclined to believe this. There has been way too much deep crawling and nowhere near enough SERP shifting for the equation to balance. IMO the up coming update will be the "daddy" of updates, it will once and for all correct all errors and problems lots of members have been mentioning in these forums and that will mark the beginning of the continuous rolling update.
I bet GG will reappear then as well.!
Discalaimer: The above is pure speculation.
Whilst no Webmaster would want to see it go (what easier way can there be of finding sites that may positively impact on your own PR and therefore promote you up the rankings) the PR bar is being manipulated by webmasters that purely pin point sites (whether relevant or not) to link to for the relevance and therefore power of site's page rank.
If you are not able to see the PR bar (even though the PR is still very much alive) then more and more webmasters will be forced to generate links with sites that provide relevant and useful content that YOU believe will add to your site.
You will always be able to see the backlinks and therefore have a good idea of what's good and what's not but at least everyone will need to do a bit more research - thereby benefitting those willing to put the time in (this could be very bad for me as I have too much work already?)
What does everyone else think?
;)
It has not moved at all - it is still in 400 range.
It has been 2 weeks now.
This is all the proof I need.
The continuous google update has began and there will be no more monthly updates.
I believe that Google ranking is based mainly upon links back, and as far as I can see there is no continuous update with the links back. So I have to disagree with this assumption.
If the Pagerank bar-o-meter was removed - why would anybody install the Toolbar?
1. NO - I expect a normal update soon.
2. NO - Page rank will continue to play a role.
3. NO - If not link text of incoming links then what?
I use the Mozilla version even though it doesn't include Pagerank.
Have you used toolbar 2.0 beta? The pop-up blocker is simply AMAZING! I have never used a pop-up blocker as good as google's new toolbar, I install it on all my computers and it has blocked thousands of popups for me...
You need to stop surfing those adult sites... LOL ;)
1. The continuous google update has began and there will be no more monthly updates.
As someone already mentioned, what we're seeing now is a very powerful freshbot that's acting like a deepbot.
I still expect at least one or two more traditional monthly updates.
Although I still don't think Google is totally switched to the new system, what we are seeing right now is somewhat of a continuous update. Personally, i'm impressed with what i'm seeing. But a lot of people seeem to hate it....
2. Pagerank is all but finished, and in the next toolbar update it will be removed.
As a webmaster I love being able to check pagerank on the toolbar. However I can certainly see good reasons for Google to remove it.
But what about the Google directory? For those of us with sites in DMOZ, we can still check our pagerank that way. So if Google were serious about keeping PR a secret, they'd have to alter the Google directory as well.
I doubt Google will make these changes.
3. Incoming links will be changed once in a while but will have no affect on the SERP's due to no.1
Backlinks and PR will be changed once in a while on the public end, but will be rarely updated and wont be a big concern for Google.
That's my guess.
The page rank bar on the toolbar is a way for normal searchers is a sort of trust meter. It is a good little tool to see how much a site can be "trusted". We as webmasters forget that the PR bar is not meant to show searp ranking, but to help surfers get an idea of how valued a resource is considered on the web. Sure we try to manipulate it, but it does give surfers an idea of what is hot and what is not.
That's because google sucks. Face it, most of us are NOT happy with google anymore. I pray for another contender to step in and take some of their market share. They plainly don't deserve it anymore.
From the best search engine they became just another advertisign medium for advertisers. Their focus is now adwords and revenues and not providing the best search tool. THAT is obvious.
Go MSN go!
PR toolbar and backlinks report do not seem to reflect the real situation, so perhaps these two would be updated periodically - just guessing once a month. As the time since last G dance till now is too short, we have not seen repeated behaviors of Google so it is premature to draw any concrete conclusion or observation.
Esmerelda still had links visible that were 2-3 months old and the SERPS reflected that these were still being counted - not now I don't think.
However, I am not of the opinion that NEW links are being counted yet.
Obviously just my opinion based on the SERPS changes I have seen the past week.
If anybody has any example of sites they strongly feel are having new - post esmerelda - links counted, I would be interested to see these- please sticky me
Haven't been in here for a while, but to find people looking to MSN as a saviour ... dear oh dear oh dear.
MSN can send decent traffic, sometimes more than Google. Some feel it also converts better. These findings have beeen echoed by others on the boards here.
The smart ones diversified a little and looked beyond the free google traffic. Pay attention to MSN, Looksmart, adwords, overture etc..
