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Pages without meta keywords do better in Google?

To use keywords, or not, in Google

         

JackieC

11:40 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've noticed that the top listings in Google don't use keywords, just tons of anchor links. Is it safe to say that a page with the same incoming anchor links will rank higher in google if there are no keywords?

Oaf357

11:56 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I wouldn't go that far.

Keywords are keywords whether they're ALT tags or text or anchor text.

Anchor text is a critical aspect of developing good PR and intrasite linking using keyword rich anchor text could have significant benefits.

JackieC

11:59 pm on Apr 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I meant to be specific meta keywords. I know that anchor and alt tags can really help, but I noticed that a lot of top rankings in google don't use meta keywords.

Chicago

12:04 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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meta keywords are essentially dead, Jackie

JayC

12:04 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yep, all the evidence is that Google currently ignores the meta keywords content completely. But that doesn't mean that they'll hurt you at all, so I wouldn't say that it's accurate so say as in the thread title that "pages with no [meta] keywords do better..."

stuntdubl

1:20 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Is it possible that the benefit of having content higher in the code of the page (proximity) by eliminating <meta keyword="your keywords"> could have any effect on results?

JayC

1:25 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Theoretically, stuntdubl, that might be. In terms of real-world results, though, removing that one line of html isn't going to be significant.

Oaf357

3:42 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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None of my pages have keyword META tags. A lot of search engines don't use them so to me it's a waste of bandwidth and time.

That doesn't mean that they aren't recommended or needed. It just means that I don't have a use for them on my personal web site (which has a lot of content not just about me).

hmpphf

6:31 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I carry on using meta tags purely as a reminder of the words and phrases I am targeting on the page. Probably helps my competitors figure them out too I guess...

aravindgp

7:19 am on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> Chicago meta keywords are dead.

I feel the same, but one final tester I wanted to do is,

Do they help in deciding the theme of the site?

If we have meta keyword through out the site..does that help the spiders which supposedly detect theme for the meta keyword we are using.( I don't know if it's true.)

Aravind

Chicago

2:22 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Aravind,

Meta Keywords are not being read by bots because of abuse and simply put: what in the world do they have to do with what is actucally on the site, theme or otherwise. If people can't see it, don't expect bots to care much. Bots are people centric, they read pages and links because it is the only viable way to deduce what a page/site is really about.

Pay attention to your title, Htags, and keywords density and page by page keyword phrase concentration.

Forget about metas. Put them in, but forget about it and concentrate on the real factors.

Good Luck. Justin.

MHes

2:50 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi

Google may ignore keyword meta's but there are hundreds of meta spiders out there who want to list your site in various niche directories.

Some of these directories give you hard links out from good pr pages. You only need a few a month to pick you up and it will help your pr = better google rankings.

So keyword metas can help your google rankings.

Also IMHO I think the 'theming' aspect is a possible benefit.

puppetmaster

4:03 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'v been watch behind ww for awhile. I have learned a lot here, thanks to everyone.

I removed my meta tage before the last craw and all my keyword moved up to the top positions. I don't know if it's because of the meta tage or the changes I made.

creative craig

4:14 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The meta-keyword tag is dead, the only SE that reads and takes notice of the tag is Inktomi.

Have a read of this thread, where all the SE's gave their verdict: [webmasterworld.com...]

Craig

creative craig

4:16 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Didnt see you there puppetmaster :)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com]

Craig

JayC

4:24 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Also IMHO I think the 'theming' aspect is a possible benefit.

Not on any major search engine. Any that want to engage in "theming" can do so effectively by examining the same text content that they use in other ranking algorithms -- that is, without the easily spammed meta keywords.

But you are right that some small, internal, or niche directories and other resources do still use it -- generally where the confidence is higher that spamming isn't widespread.

heini

4:31 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Puppettmaster, welcome to the board.

Now lets be careful here so as not to confuse people new to this stuff:
We are only talking about meta keywords here.

There are meta tags which are very useful and should not be neglected. The neta description is important, meta language can be important, to name two.

Back to meta keywords: Apart from code bloat there's really not much to be said against the usage of the meta keyword tag.
It has however no influence, positive or negative, on the ranking in Google. It gets ignored.

Oaf357

5:07 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps some people might benefit from this comment:

Use META keyword tags selectively. If you're doing well for a few of your target keyword phrases then focus on some of the phrases you're not doing as great with by using META keywords.

creative craig

5:09 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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But you are right that some small, internal, or niche directories and other resources do still use it -- generally where the confidence is higher that spamming isn't widespread.

Can you name any of these SE's or directorie that use the meta-keyword tag?

If there are a few I might put it back into action on a few sites and see what happens for a month or so :)

Craig

puppetmaster

8:42 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm sorry. I removed my meta keywords in my <head> section.
If I see any change I will replace them.
Meta Tages are important and shouldn't be removed.

europeforvisitors

9:56 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)



The meta-keyword tag is dead, the only SE that reads and takes notice of the tag is Inktomi.

That's reason enough to include the meta=keyword line, isn't it?

Oaf357

10:00 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Not really. Inktomi doesn't really put much weight on them.

aravindgp

7:34 am on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Meta-Search Engine...there seem to be some.Do they use Meta Keywords.

Perhaps true theme seems to be far fetched.But I was just thinking if a spider needs to find theme.It is an easy way to do, but again this can be easily abused.

MHes and Chicago and Craig Thanks for the inputs.

>Inkotomi

Can somebody clarify.Does it use if so to wat percentage.

Aravind

madweb

8:50 am on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Meta Tags are not just about search engines.

Good MetaData - in a number of forms - is helpful for those with non-traditional browsers (text readers for the blind etc).

And with large sites you can use them to manage your content.

One example - I am responsible for a departmental site occupying a subdirectory of the larger organisation's site. Good keyword and description are essential for us, because the 'site search' function uses them.

Aesop

12:57 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)



Similar to Puppetmaster, I found ww about an hour ago, read thru a dozen forums - and found them all to be very informative.
Especially this one.
*...meta tags are dead...*
Three years of self-learning, and my jaw suddenly drops. I was right all along, sortof.
I was refusing to put meta tags on some of my pages for 2 reasons: [1] didnt want the search engines to even THINK about looking at them [2] didnt think the search engines would find them with meta tags.
Thanks guys/gals for helping my belief system to remain true[LOL]

Aesop

1:01 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)



oops, i mean meta keywords... but i dont even bother with the meta tags either... its my site, i dont need to tell myself i created it, or when, or whatfor...
Unless you can give me a good reason why I should put them there...[please!]

bether2

4:21 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I use the meta description tag (when I remember to...) because MSN uses it in the search results. My pages with no meta descriptions have some pretty strange "snippets" in the MSN SERPs.

Haven't checked any other Inktomi-fed search engines, so don't know how they handle the meta description tag.

Beth

Oaf357

5:10 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I also use the META description tag. Google will sometimes display that under your link.

aravindgp

7:54 am on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi

I have done little research on what google displays when u search for a keyword.

First comes:

Secenario 1:
If you are searching for Online Widgets.

Then if your meta Description contains this particular search term.It will display entire sentence untill it finds a pullstop(.)( if pullstop is not there it completely igonores the meta description tag)

If suppose your meta is short and google has to still place, then wat it displays is some line or text it encounters with widgets.

Sceneario 2:
If google searching for Online widgets.

Say suppose it doesn't find Online Widgets in meta description tag, it only finds widgets in meta tag description, it will not display this.It will keep searching till it finds online widgets is found on the entire page.If this happens to be a sentence then it will display this sentence.If say suppose it's not the sentence , some important like
.online widegts
.software
.cell phone
.download

Then it will display all points.

Now coming back, it will always give importance to first word of key pharse then next word and then next word.

But there are some exceptions , on average I am able to say roughly 99% of times what will be displayed in google after seeing the home page.

I Thought I will share with you guys!
Incase somebody has contradictory results do post me.

Aravind

Powdork

8:16 am on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm with Europeforvisitors. If inktomi reads them I'll use them, but be careful. I submitted a site to SurfSafely.com and it was rejected because 'gambling' was one of the meta keywords. The site is not about gambling but it is about lodging in a gaming town. I should point out that it wasn't rejected just because gambling was among the keywords, but only because gambling ran afoul of the ICRA (or IPES, I forget which) rating I had chosen for the site.
So whether or not you use them is up to you. But they DO make a difference to some.

Maybe Google does penalise for having meta keywords BECAUSE inktomi uses them. hmmmm;)

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