small 5year old PR0

[swampscrapper]

I have a small static site that has been live for about 5 years. Following the most recent update, I noticed that my page titles have been updated so Im assuming that googlebot successfully toured the site. I have a PR0 but when my domain keyword is searched it ranks number 5. But If I search on the domain it comes up empty. Does this mean I have been blacklisted?

[SlyOldDog]

Hi

You can't tell if you have a penalty in this way. You are probably are making a mistake in the syntax when you search your domain. If you have PR0 (white bar), you are in the index and should be able to find your site.

If you had a grey bar, that might be trouble. PR0 usually means the sites linking to you have not passed on adequate pagerank to take you to 1 or above.

[takagi]

Hello swampscrapper, welcome to WebmasterWorld. Having a PR0 can mean 'too low for a PR1' or 'Site is penalized'. In the first case, you should just get more links to your site. I have no experience with a penalized site, but if you can find it on #5 for a keyword with a lot of competition, then it won't be penalized.

What do you mean with "If I search on the domain it comes up empty". Try a search like this:

site:www.mydomain.com -blablabla

This should display all the indexed pages on your site that have no blablabla on the page. So I think that will be true for all you pages.

[swampscrapper]

Aha!
I just went to my homepage and the PR bar is grey and says that the current page is not ranked by Google.

I have spent the last few months cleaning up the site and adding relevant content. Should I try to contact them and see about reinclusion? I probably was blacklisted because of the use of flash and javascript.

[tigger]

>If you had a grey bar, that might be trouble. PR0 usually means the sites linking to you have not passed on adequate pagerank to take you to 1 or above.

Hold on a mo :) I was under the impression a grey bar, was new sites not indexed by G

White Bar Penalised/banned or Zero PR

?

[takagi]

I seem to disagree with SlyOldDog about PR0. But now you tell another story, so that is not important anymore. A site is not blacklisted for JavaScript or flash. It could only mean that Google cannot find pages other than the homepage. Just make sure there are some links to your site from pages already indexed by Google. Then Google will find your site and index it.

[swampscrapper]

I have created text links and a site map for the pages on my site. Also, I have 5 major links for the site including:

Yahoo Directory
DMoz Directory
Industry Regional Listing (PR 5)
Local Site (PR 5)
Friends Site (PR5)

shouldnt that constitute decent incoming links? THese have all been added in the last 3 months however.

[takagi]

Has this 5yo site been expired for some time? Well even if so, having a lot of fresh links should bring you in during the next update. Do remember, the last update used data collected somewhere in March. So it is possible that links were added after deepbot had visited the site.

[ogletree]

A grey bar can mean that there are several domais that point to the same content. Google will pick the one it likes the best and it will only list that domain. If you have a domain with several mispellig that point to the same thing all but one will get a grey bar. ex mydomain.com, my-domain.com. I have a friend that had set up several host headers to the same content and got a grey bar. He seperated them to 2 sites and chnaged the content a little and now they both have PR ratings.

[SlyOldDog]

>>White Bar Penalised/banned or Zero PR

Hi Tigger. Yes, sorry I wrote my message badly, but that's what I meant. PR0 is a white bar.

Grey bar means one of two things:

1) Site not indexed
2) The worst possible penalty from Google.

By the way, you aren't the Tigger that lived accross the road from me in Winchester are you?

[swampscrapper]

thank you for your responses.

"worst possibly penalty from Google"

wow that sounds pretty serious. the only possibility for this would have been a little extra title page stuffing from 4 months ago which has been removed.

should i email [e-mail] if Im confident the pages meet the guidelines of ww & G?

[tigger]

>By the way, you aren't the Tigger that lived accross the road from me in Winchester are you?

nope can't afford Winchester, I live in Gosport

[SlyOldDog]

Very few sites get this penalty so don't be unduly worried.

There are a few things that could cause your problem:

1) Site was never indexed. Maybe the backward links are too new. 3 months is plenty though.
2) The sites linking to you cannot pass on pagerank. This is something relatively new, and nobody really knows how much Google is emphasiying this
3) Toolbar error. This is the most likely. If you can find your site in google then it cannot be out of the index. Try checking your site from another PC.
4) The links you have are not to your homepage and you have no links on your site back to the homepage. In this case the pagerank will reside on the internal pages on your site which have the incoming links.

There are probably plenty of other reasons too!

[SlyOldDog]

>>nope can't afford Winchester, I live in Gosport

Me neither. That's where my parents live :)))

[rfgdxm1]

swampscrapper, were you doing anything really dirty on this site you would get banned? If not, my best guess is that your site was down or unreachable when Google crawled.

[swampscrapper]

no link farms, cloaking or any other major potential pitfall. the only thing I will admit to is perhaps over-exuberant page titles. is that enough to do it or perhaps a lack of substantive content?

[swampscrapper]

Now it looks like my site has been completely removed again from the index. What gives? Again, i have not been involved with any cloaking, link schemes, or any other dodgy procedure.

Will anyone take a look at it to see where i can improve my livelihood is in limbo.